The principal guest was a woman named Soraya Chemaly ...She went as far as to tie "Men's rights groups" in with this murder (tying men who feel they should be given a chance to get custody of their children in with rapists and child molesters).
The Toxic Appeal of the Men’s Rights Movement
James S. Fell
May 29, 2014
A growing movement driven by misogyny and resentment is pulling in frustrated men struggling with changing definitions of masculinity. A men's fitness columnist on why they should walk away.
Imagine a kid who got a cone with three scoops of ice cream in it. Good flavors, too. Like peanut-butter chocolate, plus a scoop of cookie dough. In a waffle cone. And then this child whines about the lack of chocolate sprinkles on top.
Welcome to the men’s rights movement.
Wait, what? Men’s rights? That’s a thing? Yes, it’s a thing, and while there are certain legitimate aspects to men’s rights activism, or MRA, it’s overwhelmingly a toxic slew of misogyny. This world of resentment and hate speech has been brought to light in recent days as we learned about the vitriolic forum posts and videos left behind by Elliot Rodger, the 22 year-old accused of killing six people in Santa Barbara last week. But it’s hard to comprehend from Roger’s delusional rants how potent the movement’s message can be for ordinary men.
MRAs believe the traditionally oppressed groups have somehow seized control and taken away their white male privilege. They tap into fear and insecurity and turn it into blame and rage. Often the leaders of these groups are men who feel as though they got screwed in a divorce. They quote all sorts of statistics about child custody and unfair alimony payments, because in their minds, the single mother who has to choose between feeding the kids or paying the rent is a myth. They believe passionately in their own victimhood and their creed goes something like this: Women are trying to keep us down, usurp all our power, taking away what it means to be a man.
One popular MRA site is AVoiceForMen.com, with a mission to “expose misandry on all levels in our culture” and “denounce the institution of marriage as unsafe and unsuitable for modern men” as well as “promote an end to chivalry in any form or fashion” and “educate men and boys about the threats they face in feminist governance.” They also want an “end to rape hysteria” and promote “civil disobedience.” In their defense, AVFM does support nonviolence, but with all the inflammatory rhetoric, do readers always take heed?
There are Reddit threads and other Internet forums dedicated to men’s rights, and the language and vitriol towards women and especially towards feminism is appalling. Any messages of nonviolence seem lost in the hate mongering. These groups spew logically faulty statistics about the prevalence of male rape and spousal abuse, and how there really is no glass ceiling or pay inequality, and general complaints about how “that bitch got my promotion because she has a uterus.”
Men’s Rights Canada made headlines again recently with their classless response to an anti-sexual assault campaign called “Don’t be that guy.” Posters went up across the nation implying women aren’t punished enough for infanticide, stating, “Women can stop baby dumping. “Don’t be that girl.” This was a follow up of the same campaign from last year alleging many women made false rape accusations because they felt guilty over a one-night stand.
As a white man who writes about fitness, I’m very aware of the pressures on men and the many ways that these kinds of hateful messages reach my audience, both overt like the Canada ads and the less blatant claims of male victimhood in mainstream media. It’s clear that the definition of masculinity is in flux, and for some men that’s frustrating, especially with near-pornographic ad campaigns promoting women as objects of sexual conquest. And while there are aspects of MRA that are worth bringing to light, as a movement it can suck a good man down a rabbit hole of resentment. It is backward-looking and pining for good old days that never were.
Are there some problems with specific instances of unequal treatment? Yes. Is there some anti-male sentiment out there? Yeah, that happens too. But turning these issues into a movement is laughable. It is a like a multi-millionaire who whines that a tax loophole was closed and he’s losing 0.5% of his annual income.
Men, especially white men, aren’t marginalized, we aren’t under attack, and we not in danger of losing the overwhelming privileges society bestows upon us for having pale skin and a penis. However, MRAs have been described as whining children by the women they call “feminist bitches.”
So to any man who feels like he’s getting caught up in such a movement because they feel emasculated or are just having trouble relating to women and perhaps sympathizing with Elliot Rodger, I will tell you this: Life isn’t fair. Life is NOT fair.
Women will judge you. Some will judge you based on your appearance, your height, your width, you genitalia, your wealth, your car, your clothes, your acne. In other words, they will judge you the exact same way you judge them.
http://time.com/134152/the-toxic-appeal-of-the-mens-rights-movement/
So to any man who feels like he’s getting caught up in such a movement because they feel emasculated or are just having trouble relating to women and perhaps sympathizing with Elliot Rodger, I will tell you this: Life isn’t fair. Life is NOT fair.
That part about "sympathizing with Elliot Rodger" exists only in the crass imagination of this feminist writer. This is nothing less than a baseless hit piece.
This is another of many examples where feminist voices cross the line of indecency.
Fell is a syndicated fitness columnist for the Chicago Tribune and Los Angeles Times. He blogs at http://www.SixPackAbs.com. You can follow him @bodyforwife
You don't think that suggesting, with out any basis in reality, that the target of thia hit piece "sympathizes" with a mass murderer crosses the line of indecency
And, for the record, many men call themselves "feminists".
The Southern Poverty Law Center
Intelligence Report, Spring 2012, Issue Number: 145
Misogyny: The Sites
The so-called “manosphere” is peopled with hundreds of websites, blogs and forums dedicated to savaging feminists in particular and women, very typically American women, in general. Although some of the sites make an attempt at civility and try to back their arguments with facts, they are almost all thick with misogynistic attacks that can be astounding for the guttural hatred they express. What follows are brief descriptions of a dozen of these sites. Another resource is the Man Boobz website (manboobz.com), a humorous pro-feminist blog (its tagline is “Misogyny: I Mock It”) that keeps a close eye on these and many other woman-hating sites.
Alcuin
Alcuin is a blog that promotes the “Intellectual Renaissance of the Western Tradition.” “Just as the Nazis had to create a Jewish conspiracy as a way to justify mass slaughter,” one post declares, “so feminists have to create patriarchy as a way to justify mass slaughter of innocent unborn, and the destruction of men and masculinity. Rape is now a political crime, not a crime of sex or violence. A man doesn’t have to rape in order to be a rapist. A man is a rapist until he somehow proves himself innocent.” Another post, titled “Having their cake,” asserts that “Western women … act, dress, and look like hairy fat pigs, but get angry when they can’t find a man … act like bitches, but expect men to respect them … don’t know what the hell they want, but seek power over men and over everything.”
Boycott American Women
This site’s mission statement describes American women as “generally immature, selfish, extremely arrogant and self-centered, mentally unstable, irresponsible and highly unchaste. The behavior of most American women is utterly disgusting.” Plus, they supposedly pose a higher risk of divorce than women from such countries as Russia, Thailand and the Philippines, where the blog suggests men find their mates. The site is rife with posts from outsiders, like the recent one that said: “I think we should export all american [sic] bitches to other countries and take in women from other places. … Have you noticed how fat these sluts get AT AN EARLY AGE… . f you were allowed to beat your wife we wouldn’t be dealing with this crap.”
The Counter Feminist
Its tagline probably won’t be set to music any time soon, but it does capture the flavor of the site: “The female-supremacist hate movement called ‘feminism’ must be opened to the disinfecting sunlight of the world’s gaze and held to a stern accounting for its grievous transgressions.” Recent headlines, like December’s “More Proof That Feminism is a Social Cancer,” reflect the same sensibility. “Fidelbogen,” the otherwise unidentified Washington state man who operates the blog, also runs the False Rape Task Force and Women Doing Lousy Things blogs and is heavily involved in the Counter-Feminist YouTube Channel.
The False Rape Society
The False Rape Society is an Internet news aggregator, subtitled “Community of the Falsely Accused,” that features stories about allegedly false rape accusations and “feminist”-crafted “anti-male” legislation. While the site focuses heavily on news stories about false rape allegations, it frequently veers into such posts as the New Year’s Day item attacking a female supporter of then-presidential aspirant Michelle Bachmann for telling a reporter, “It takes a woman to get things done.”
In Mala Fide
This blog, whose name translates from the Latin as “In Bad Faith,” describes itself in its mission statement as “[a]n online magazine dedicated to publishing heretical and unpopular ideas. Ideas that polite society considers ‘racist,’ ‘misogynistic,’ ‘homophobic,’ ‘bigoted’ or other slurs used to shut down critical thinking and maintain the web of delusions that keep our world broken and dying.” The unifying idea is this: “Feminism is a hate movement designed to disenfranchise and dehumanize men.” The site carries ads for such offerings as the HardKnight “male enhancement system,” PolishLasses (“Over 5,000 … candid photos”), and the racist 1922 classic The Revolt Against Civilization by Lothrop Stoddard.
MarkyMark’s Thoughts
Run by a New Jersey Tea Partier with a financially underwater house and a chronic medical condition, Marky Mark’s blog is filled with edifying thoughts like “Even Nice Girls are Sluts.” His blog is not without pathos, however; to say the least, his is not a happy existence. “Do I go through life and all its trials and tribulations alone? Do I go through them with a nagging, selfish bitch who won’t help me anyway? … Or, do I go through them alone, divorced, and poor?” But mostly, this blog is just plain nasty. “Boys,” a January posting urges Marky Mark’s readers, “don’t get involved in American women; they’re sluts, skanks, and disease ridden whores.”
MensActivism
This website tracks news and information about men’s issues from around the world, with a focus on activism — and outrage. Par for the course are lurid headlines like this one: “Pakistani wife kills, cooks husband for lusting over daughter.” The site also runs stories like the one it headlined “Australia: Girl, 13, charged after taxi knife attack” that involve no abuse accusations, but are merely meant to undermine what the site claims is “the myth that women are less violent than men.”
Reddit: Mens Rights
A “subreddit” of the user-generated news site Reddit, this forum describes itself as a “place for people who feel that men are currently being disadvantaged by society.” While it presents itself as a home for men seeking equality, it is notable for the anger it shows toward any program designed to help women. It also trafficks in various conspiracy theories. “Kloo2yoo,” identified as a site moderator, writes that there is “undeniable proof” of an international feminist conspiracy involving the United Nations, the Obama Administration and others, aimed at demonizing men.
RooshV
Roosh Vörek is a Maryland-raised PUA (“pick up artist”) whose specialty is sex with foreign women; his blog is a sales vehicle for his books like Bang: The Pick Up Bible and Bang Iceland: How to Sleep With Icelandic Women in Iceland, which one Icelandic feminist group described as a “rape guide.” Vörek likes to talk about his many “notches” (seductions) and such things as “American cunts who I want to hate ****.” He adds: “I’ll be the first to admit that many of my bangs in the United States were hate fucks. The masculine attitude and lack of care these women put into their style or hair irritated me, so I made it a point to **** them and never call again.”
SAVE Services
The acronym in SAVE Services stands for Stop Abusive and Violent Environments; “Protecting Victims, Stopping False Allegations, Ending Abuse” is its tagline. In practice, that means lobbying to roll back services for victims of domestic abuse and penalties for their tormentors, while working to return the focus to the “true victims of abuse” — the falsely accused. The site trumpets as a “key fact” that “[f]emale initiation of partner violence is the leading reason for the woman becoming a victim of subsequent violence,” even though a study shows that approximately twice as many women as men are injured during incidents of domestic violence.
The Spearhead
The Spearhead is an online magazine that features a range of “voices in defense of ourselves, our families and our fellow men.” One post calls the recently released American version of the movie thriller “The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo” “hate porn for feminists” and describes its strong female lead as “like a kind of dyke junkie.” Another post includes this fairly typical summation: “I have said it before, and I will say it again; I don’t hate women. I just hate what they do to men.”
A Voice for Men
A Voice for Men is essentially a mouthpiece for its editor, Paul Elam, who proposes to “expose misandry [hatred of men] on all levels in our culture.” Elam tosses down the gauntlet in his mission statement: “AVfM regards feminists, manginas [a derisive term for weak men], white knights [a similar derisive term, for males who identify as feminists] and other agents of misandry as a social malignancy. We do not consider them well intentioned or honest agents for their purported goals and extend to them no more courtesy or consideration than we would clansmen [sic], skinheads, neo Nazis or other purveyors of hate.” Register-Her.com, an affiliated website that vilifies women by name who have made supposedly false rape allegations (among other crimes against masculinity), is one of Elam’s signature “anti-hate” efforts. “Why are these women not in prison?” the site asks.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/misogyny-the-sites
I reject much of what I consider the feminist narrative that I find excessive and unrealistic; particularly in areas of sexual prudishness and consensual relationships and their inability to support fathers as parents.
I find the idea that peaceful and rational opposition to their viewpoint has anything to do with this particular crazy mass murder is incredibly offensive..
Anyone who wants to see bigotry and prejudice eliminated should oppose misogyny in any of it's various manifestations, from the most virulent to the most subtle, just as racism should be opposed as unacceptable. Misogyny should not be marginalized as a "feminist issue"--it's a form of bias that affects everyone, and not in a good way. And you're obviously not interested in either recognizing or acknowledging that.
4 young men died I tend to not overlook that fact.
All I'm saying is Rodger's behavior is the result of a psychopathology which went unchecked. As far as him venturing to websites that foster his ideas, well look, I used to be a member on blackplanet.com where almost every discussion was about white people, I come here and I see why a black persons anger towards white people can be somewhat justified with that being said that doesn't make me want to take my Smith and Wesson and go killing white folks.
Most angry people in life that have a problem with women/men/black/white/ would not pull a Smith and Wesson either but deep down inside they wish that they could.
The everyday fear of violence every woman has to cope with
Men's rights internet forums are seeking to distance themselves from last week's mass murder by a misogynist in California – but it didn't happen in a vacuum
by Eva Wiseman
The Observer
Saturday 31 May 2014
Every woman I know has been shouted at by a stranger, has been called a whore, bitch or slut, whispered to, hissed at, threatened, pressed against, rubbed. Like the time I was a teenager on a busy tube and felt the person next to me work his finger into my short sleeve to stroke my breast, or the time the person in the seat opposite, hiding his crotch from the school party to his right, gestured expertly for me to watch him rub it, or the time we were chased by a flasher in the woods outside school.
Some women I know have been physically attacked, some haven't. Every woman I know has been warned about walking back in the dark, even though they know that most acts of violence happen at home, by somebody they know; every woman I know has carried their keys spiked through their knuckles when they walk down the road at night. Every woman I know texts their friends to say they're home safe. Every woman I know in London has been warned about the temporary alleys round the back of Tottenham Court Road, where the Crossrail is being built and there are unlit blind spots on CCTV. Every woman I know on Twitter or who participates in conversations online or who appears on TV has been mocked for her appearance, for her desirability. Every female writer I know has been compared to a Nazi. Every female writer I know receives emails like the ones I get from men's rights activists, whose messages veer between political theses about the demonisation of men by feminazis, comments on our frigidity, flowery patronising essays and sneering threats.
And every woman I know who has encountered this intimidation – in emails, tweets, below-the-line comments, or after seeing intimate photographs shared by an ex – has been advised to laugh it off. To ignore it. But few of us do, and few of us can, because it's as much a part of the world we live in as the knowledge that we are in danger if we go out in shoes we can't run away in, as much a part of our world as the keys in our fists.
Last week the Isla Vista massacre (where a 22-year-old man with direct links to men's rights activism posted videos in misogynist forums promising to "slaughter" the "sluts" who rejected him) was the first confirmation that we are right not to laugh off the approaches of these anonymous and raging men. On Twitter I read responses from men saying: "I don't blame guns, I blame blondes" and "I hope you women see this as a lesson to stop being so stuck up." The murderer's manifesto (published widely), his disturbed rhetoric, his language of violence and entitlement are sadly familiar.
Advocates of the men's rights movement are united by their belief that feminism is the enemy. It's made up of a mix of men – pick-up artists, male victims of abuse, father's rights proponents – who come together online. One of the most successful communities in the "manosphere" is Reddit's Red Pill. It has almost 53,000 subscribers who believe that women are designed solely for sex and sandwich-making. (I'm paraphrasing, but barely – one email I got this week suggested that "the women's movement is breaking the circle of life, and our humanity").
In the same way that Nigel Farage has been required to repeatedly insist that his party is not racist, this week its members have felt obliged to assert that their community (named after the pill Keanu Reeves takes in The Matrix to unplug his mind from a simulated world) does not support violence. Elsewhere other men's rights groups (and there are hundreds of them) are saying the same: "He wasn't one of us." "His is a perfect case of someone who needed the red pill," wrote Polysyllabist. "Because it's somewhere he could come to vent, and be angry, and not have his pain be dismissed, ridiculed or ignored."
We know that these misogynists, who sneer online or grope on trains or kill, do not exist in vacuums. They are formed by cultures that glorify violence against women, that tell men they're owed sex, that contribute to that background hum every woman learns to block out – every woman learns, early, to be at least a little bit terrified. We're right not to ignore the emails, threats and comments. Can we stop, now, pretending to laugh?
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jun/01/mens-rights-internet-forums-distance-from-misogynist-mass-murder
male victims of abuse