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Was Elliot Rodger's recent attack an attack on women?

 
 
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2014 04:44 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Looks like you went in my profile and dug this up.
chai2
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2014 05:00 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

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Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment.

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So in which areas do you believe women should be inferior or be denied equal opportunity?

This deserves an answer.


Buttermilk, did you ever answer this question?
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2014 05:48 pm
@Buttermilk,
I've never visited your profile Buttermilk but I do "respect" the people here.
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 01:51 am
@chai2,
Pretty much.....

I explained in so many ways but let me afford you the respect and answer this specifically....

I am against contemporary feminism as it is acted out in academic institutions and so-called philanthropists and psuedo-feminist who utilize various situations to make men even those innocent of any wrongdoing, antagonists. I find contemporary feminism to be antagonistic as opposed to helpful. As far as denying any woman of any opportunity that is deserving I am all for any human being man or woman, deserving of anything of their hearts content. The question of

"do you believe women should be inferior or be denied equal opportunity?"

Is not clever to say the least cause obviously I'm going to be in disagreement with wanting to deny anyone equal opportunity. How could I, as an African-American who has been denied opportunities myself would support any ideology to deny someone?
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Buttermilk
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 02:54 am
@FOUND SOUL,
Actually the fact that I made this thread about amonth ago (or more) and that in light of your attempted recent attack on me (which is a poor attempt on your part) and that you've dug this up let's me know you've went in my profile. As far as respecting people here, respect is earned. I don't attack anyone that doesn't attack me. But since being a member here I've been subjected to racism and thus my attitude and encounter with people here have changed dramatically.

As my mother once told me, "you can't expect white folks even those that have good intentions to chastise other white folks who are against you simply because of the color of your skin." I've seen many of you, as in you all become silent when racist trolls come around on these boards yet if I happen to offend your fragile sensitivities you are very voicetrous (in this case proactive typers) so at this point I give two shits about anyone you. So pretty much its **** YOU.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:12 am
@maxdancona,
When you discuss Moslems do you think they're all like Osama Bin Laden? Every camp has people on the extremes. Feminism is about equal rights, not oppressing men, and if you only listen to extremes you're going to get a very jaded view of something.

Why, when you think of feminism, do you only consider the extremist minority position?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:25 am
@Buttermilk,
Buttermilk wrote:

Because these are the same attitudes I encounter on my college campus where freshmen take one course in women's studies then all of a sudden they become a radical feminist after one semester. Because radical ideas are what's being taught.


Of course they're taught, it's a university course, it would be remiss if such views weren't taught. You can't only teach half a viewpoint.

Having extreme views on one subject or another isn't exactly unusual for first year students. School is a social environment where people learn to conform, any type of individuality/difference makes you a target. That's not the case at university, and people can actually be individuals even though a lot of them don't know who they ar,e so they often pick a radical position to define themselves, political, religious, social, whatever. It's all part of growing up, and most people's views soften over time.

When I was at uni there were a lot of hard core vegans who would drone on incessantly about the horrors of factory farming. Fast forward a few years and a lot of them have gone back to eating meat.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:28 am
@firefly,
Thanks for the link, I never realised how repulsive Buttermilk was. It's always good to know what you're dealing with.
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Buttermilk
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 04:17 am
@izzythepush,
Izz, goodpoint and I understand where you're going. Universities are liberal and it's meant to be an environment where various ideas are expressed. However there are professors which I'm sure you're aware of that have agendas and utilize the universities as a means to push their ideas. THAT I'm in disagreement with.

I'm against men or women black or white, gay or straight that have been wronged by someone and who, utilize the university as a tool to also chastise and oppressed others the way they were oppressed. I don't know, I think viewpoints at these institutions ought to be moderate as opposed to the extreme because having extreme views definitely distorts reality.

After taking women's studies I will admit, I walked away sour in the fact that the teacher gave me the impression that men can absolutely do all the wrong and women are never victims (even when they put themselves in situations where anyone else would be responsible). I think if the professor came at an angle and just simply taught the class from a historical level and just made it informative, as opposed to it being a podium to simply complain, it would've been better for me as a man.

FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 04:26 am
@Buttermilk,
Buttermilk , I was linked to this thread I didn't find it.

I did not go to your profile should I? Where ever I am, I've been called a "Witch" for guessing, get over it.

Yes respect is earned and you are not earning it. I don't attack people that attack me, in fact I was attacked from the first few posts so I said " Is that how you welcome a newby?" And, history here I still am. Attacking back is defence when if you love yourself and you don't you wouldn't have to. You only do it if you despise someone as you feel that they are a harm to the Community, especially children

So this is about racism? Then ask yourself of those that have put you down in that manner and only that manner do they count? When you first posted I listened of late, I'm as I said, disgusted it's not about his site, it's everywhere, you encounter. Why not counter-act? With a smile.

You're worth something aren't you?

I won't, can't comprehend that the colour of skin changes the way people think just now, there is a "dark skinned woman" who is going through crap and white, dark and brindle are doing what they can to help her. Because, she is a "nice" person. Elliot was picked on. **** Buttermilk, I was picked on at school, I was a Nerd apparently, I fought and I won. And, strangely I ended up a Model. You need help. If you let your true self out instead of this nasty piece of racist hatred you may be surprised, let alone the peace you will feel.

Strangely I wish I could just give you a big hug right about now.

The only people in my opinion people hate here are peds. Definitely, there are those that just thrive on giving and pushing and trying to destroy. But, usually someone pushed them first. For the most part, like it or not, empathy exists.

Those that have subjected you to racism, put them on ignore.

The more you retaliate with vengeance and hatred, the more you will receive.

The more you be the man you are, the more you will be accepted.

TAKE your pick.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 08:31 am
@Buttermilk,
When you refer to women that don't agree with you as whores, (or hoes) don't expect any of your claims about misandry to be taken seriously, especially when the two women in question are greatly admired by the general community on A2K, and are anything but. At the very least you need to issue a full apology for what you wrote in FFs link.

I'm finding it very hard to be civil to you right now, I was disgusted by what you wrote, and I'm a man.
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 08:42 am
@FOUND SOUL,
Well, you and I operate differently. Perhaps it is juevenile of me on my part to "attack back" but it just simply tiresome to read the kind of vitriol I'm so used to reading on the internet by people who know they can get away at being offensive. I would never disrespect you if I had met you outside the forum even if I really disagreed with your life views. I was never raised that way. I'm only aggressive towards those especially people here that go from discussing an issue to making references to me when nobody here even knows me outside the forum.

I guess I cannot totally blame you for your response (in that you think I shouldn't make it a big deal with the comments I read) since you're not a part of the targeted group. I think you ought to look at the internet through the eyes of a person of color and get an understanding that the internet contains a sea of people who don't mind making racist comments because they know that outside the internet they wouldn't make such comments because what saves people is anonymity.

What frustrates me is not the racist comments I've read here, but the silence from forum members and if I react I'm supposed to accept that "that is how they are." How can any society improve itself if members are to accept disruptive behavior? That's like someone who is white on an all black forum getting chastised for being white. Where are the people to defend that person and to chastise those that are making racist comments? I challenge you to go on yahoo or other websites and read the comments especially when its an article about someone black or about an inner city shooting.

Perhaps if you were a minority you'd understand.

eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 08:43 am
@izzythepush,
Izzy, were you living in the North of England, late 70's, early 80's, when Sutcliffe was killing?.
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 08:46 am
@izzythepush,
Do you give any credence to the stories going around that he was working with Saville?.
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 08:53 am
@izzythepush,
Ok and the people that went from my thread and made it about me needs to "woman up" and apologize to me. As for my relationship with you, I'm only as cordial as long as I'm not personally disrespected. I will afford you the same respect bu5t I'll be damn if I'm apologizing to anyone first especially when I didn't fire the first shot!
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Buttermilk
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 08:58 am
@izzythepush,
BTW instead of taking sides you may want to go back and read the personal comments UNRELATED to my thread that was aimed at towards me. There is a difference between disagreeing with me and making comments that are personal and unrelated to a discussion thread.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 10:54 am
@eurocelticyankee,
I was, just outside Newcastle Upon Tyne. I remember my mother freaking out when Wearside Jack issued his tapes.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 10:55 am
@eurocelticyankee,
I don't know enough about it to comment, but in light of what's happened I wouldn't rule anything out.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 10:58 am
@Buttermilk,
There's a huge difference between calling a woman a bitch, which may well be justified, and calling them a whore, which is only justified if they are a whore.

It's the language of the pimp and misogynist, and when you use it, you make their point for them.

I'm beginning to suspect you already regret such comments, and are thinking of a way of saving face.
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 11:16 am
@izzythepush,
Indeed.

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