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Was Elliot Rodger's recent attack an attack on women?

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 07:18 pm
My problem is that I started out liking buttermilk and still sort of do in an off kilter way. He got me going, though, near the beginning, for lancing me for mentioning my niece.

I'll tell a bit about her, though not much. She had a hella childhood, in part because of her mother but also in part re her father somehow getting mother to LA which must have been like landing in outer space for her. When he was at work, she went to porn theaters instead of typing school.
I see both sides on that.

Skipping many years, but still with niece at a fairly early age, even before later getting full custody for sadly good reasons, her father worked with her (or nattered) so she would grow up independent. He taught her to bicycle across the very large city. He taught her to camp and make do. She is now, in her twenties, a very able woman.

I was in the mix, as her mother, who had worked up a lie as suggested by a friend, I think to get away from her then husband's takes on how to live (there are many points on his side on this, even most points, but I can see her side) and then had all hell happen more than she wished (the key psychiatrist agreed with me, thanked me for calling him, but then went and died), the mother started to call me, since I went over and talked to her at the big court hearing (she got custody). Years went by with long sad stories and I wasn't the only woman who my niece was dear to in her mixed up life. One woman was and still is memorable to her for when she was in foster care. One of her father's girl friends liked/loved her too, but the next one strongly didn't.
Her mother died hard. She called me just before, from the hospital. She had long before apologized to me for the, uh, set up of dad, not quite in those words.

Anyway, my niece and I are part of each other's navigation in life, and we don't think of it as different sides.
So, when Buttermilk dismissed my mention I have a niece whose mother was in LA from Africa (or whatever I said), he took it as a white woman claiming points to be noticed.

He also dismissed that I know the city at all, having lived there 47 years. He knows it better, of course.

I could swear about those comments, and did argue, but at this point I'll let him alone to live his life.



ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 07:40 pm
@ossobuco,
edit - that was take buses across the large city, sorry. But she is also major good on a traversing land by bicycle.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 08:01 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
There's a huge difference between calling a woman a bitch, which may well be justified, and calling them a whore, which is only justified if they are a whore.

It's the language of the pimp and misogynist, and when you use it,
you make their point for them.
I don t believe that it is ever appropriate
to comment on the degree of a woman's sexual activity.
That is a private and personal matter; no one 's business.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 08:39 pm
Anyway, this thread is a mess.

A lot of us care about issues here.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2014 03:02 am
@ossobuco,
Isn't the Internet World a strange place? A complete stranger can push a nerve that floods us back with memories and so, we pen and type away.

Or, a complete stranger desperately really wants to be heard, probably loved and so, goes on a rampage of self destruction UNTIL enough people seem to talk "with" them instead of down to them.

Yep it's a strange world this Internet. Rarely do you find a person without a heart.

Osso you sound like you were a tower of strength. Kids tend to find as many as possible to give them that and take bits from each one.

No one should ever make you feel that you need to explain yourself, OP I think has realised that he was out of line, we understand his past, like it or not and people "can" accept him regardless of what he thinks.

You've just shown that. As a couple of others have.

Mind you, some will keep re-bucking till the cows come home Smile
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2014 03:26 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I don t believe that it is ever appropriate
to comment on the degree of a woman's sexual activity.


I think it's hardly ever appropriate, being unfaithful in a relationship and pointing out hypocrisy are the only exceptions I would make.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2014 03:31 am
@ossobuco,
I don't know what his problem is. Unlike Nonono who slipped in comfortably as Hawkeye's lackey, he has had problems with both Hawkeye and BillRM. I think he's young and guilty of posting in haste and repenting at leisure. I don't think he's a lost cause though, not yet.

Btw, you've been talking about your niece and posting pictures of her for many years before Buttermilk joined.

Some people have suggested that Buttermilk only claimed to be black once he was called prejudiced, so what goes around comes around.
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nononono
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2014 11:29 pm
@nononono,
Firefly, I'm going to use your fucked up logic for this example:

ANY woman who has ever called a man a "Dick" is a misandrist.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 01:32 am
@izzythepush,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I don t believe that it is ever appropriate
to comment on the degree of a woman's sexual activity.
izzythepush wrote:
I think it's hardly ever appropriate,
being unfaithful in a relationship
I can see your point
in regard to the actual members of that relationship, only.



izzythepush wrote:
and pointing out hypocrisy are the only exceptions I would make.
Is hypocrisy an issue here ?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 01:45 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
izzythepush wrote:
and pointing out hypocrisy are the only exceptions I would make.
Is hypocrisy an issue here ?


No it's not, but if a politician was preaching Christian morality and abstinence but was shagging everything that moved, it would be fair comment to point it out.
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 02:15 am
@nononono,
nononono wrote:
And don't you dare get up on your high horse and say that "****" is worse than "nigger". "Nigger is WAY worse! My ancestors were in chains being whipped and beaten while being called that word. But you'd like to call me that word wouldn't you bitch? You racist old honky white bitch!


I seriously doubt firefly is a racist. She's probably been opposed to racism ever since she became aware of it as she was growing up.

I'm not "taking sides" here. I just hate to see all these hard feelings. You-all would probably understand each other in real life.

Peace.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 04:25 pm
@wmwcjr,
Quote:

I seriously doubt firefly is a racist. She's probably been opposed to racism ever since she became aware of it as she was growing up.

Thanks, wmwcjr. I appreciate your comments.

Of course I'm not a racist, and I've been opposed to any type of bigotry, any overgeneralized negative stereotyping of any group, my entire life. And I've been quite vocal about that at A2K for the past 10 years.

This is some personal issue of nononono's, some sort of weird obsession with me on his part, and some sort of need to keep attacking me in thread after thread. He says all sorts of absurd things about me that haven't gone a grain of truth in them. They are so far from the truth, and so ridiculous, they are almost funny.

It's sort of fascinating to witness his insulting rants at me. I don't take them seriously, this stuff is absurd.
Quote:
You-all would probably understand each other in real life.

I do understand him, that's why I'm not engaging with him and feeding his perverse need to get attention in this way. Eventually, hopefully, he'll just knock himself out trying to get attention by being obnoxious and find a better way to do it.

FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 04:33 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
and find a better way to do it.


Smile
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nononono
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 06:08 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
This is some personal issue of nononono's, some sort of weird obsession with me on his part, and some sort of need to keep attacking me in thread after thread.


Hypocritical much?? You're ridiculous firefly. You're the one who attacks me and calls me a "misogynist" every chance you get even in threads that I probably haven't noticed (I barely noticed this thread until I skimmed it and saw my name mentioned by YOU), when I've proven over and over again that there's no truth to me being misogynistic at all.

The fact that I've proven you wrong time and again, but that you can't admit the mistakes in judgment that you've exhibited, shows exactly what kind of a person you are.

I don't give a flying **** about you firefly (and that you think I'm "obsessed" proves how swollen your head is). But if you continue to paint a picture of any and every man who disagrees with a woman or with feminism as "misogynists", and infer that the word "****" is equally as hateful as the word "nigger" then I'm going to call you on your bullshit, I'm going to call you on your victimhood, and I'm going to call you on your rascism. You can count on it.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 06:38 pm
@firefly,
Anyone who positions himself as Hawkeye's (Yes Hawkeye, for ****'s sake!) lickspittle, can't have much going for him.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 07:37 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:

Anyone who positions himself as Hawkeye's (Yes Hawkeye, for ****'s sake!) lickspittle, can't have much going for him.

Don't be quite so harsh, give him some credit for having a foul month and an enormous need for attention. Laughing

izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2014 01:53 am
@firefly,
And inconsistency, he accuses you (without foundation) of being racist, but he's happy for Hawkeye to use the N word, he's even happy to be Hawkeye's N word.

He's certainly proven a point, but not the one he set out to do.
nononono
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2014 08:24 am
@izzythepush,
Why even use "N word"? Why don't you just call me a nigger Izzy? We all know that's what you're thinking and what you meant. You fuckin' cracker ass cracker. Just like you like telling victims of domestic violence that it's their fault they got beat. Why should it be any surprise that you're a big fuckin' racist too?
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2014 09:32 am
@nononono,
Likely because it would feed your insatiable need to be a victim of racism, and nobody here's going to help you out with that, Buttermilk.

By the way, what exactly is a "cracker ass cracker?"
 

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