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Is There Any Reason to Believe the Biblical Story of Creation?

 
 
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 10:37 am
@Easy-Y,
Easy-Y wrote:

You will be sorry when the Devil has you. blasphemer

Repent now

Jesus wud even take yu back. sinner


Another brand new member, joined 23 may, and has only been following this thread. What a co ink e dink.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 10:39 am
@loopin louie,
loopin louie wrote:

There is no proof that god exist. There is more evidence of aliens life that there is of God, but yet the people who think that there is intelligence life in the universe are look as the crazy ones.

The bible is so full of **** (I challenge anyone to explain to me how it is not) there are story nothing more. Not even original stories at that a lot of the story in the bible were taken from other dead religions and rewritten. Religion is nothing more than a form of crowd control. A fear tactic to keep people in line.


Well hello to louie, joined 24 may
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 10:39 am
@Brandon9000,
Many outside links are self serving bloviations.
OK to quote from them, I think.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 10:40 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

The "creation story" is just that. It was copied from the first story ever told and passed on by word of mouth and then much later became the fist written story in human civilization. It is the story of Gilgamesh and this story (and thats all it really ever was) came thousands of years before any organized religion. The bible is a fable and is not even original one.


Welcome extended to another brand new member. Joined yesterday.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 10:41 am
@observingo,
What luck, another brand new member.
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chai2
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 10:56 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

Presumably people who believe that the Biblical story of creation is true feel that they are correct and that they have good reason for their beliefs. This thread is an opportunity for them to convince others of the truth of their position, or at least to speak the truth.


Brandon my friend, any good reasons they express will not be sufficient for those of us who understand the definition of the word evidence.

If I'm not mistaken, those who believe in the creation story are going to say their "good reason" is that it's in the bible. Seriously. They will say if it's written that way in the bible, that's all the proof they need.

So, farmer had a good answer.
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usmankhalid665
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 11:06 am
PLEASE READ THIS & COMMENT
The Quran on the Origin of the Universe
The science of modern cosmology, observational and theoretical, clearly indicates that, at one point in time, the whole universe was nothing but a cloud of ‘smoke’ (i.e. an opaque highly dense and hot gaseous composition). This is one of the undisputed principles of standard modern cosmology.  Scientists now can observe new stars forming out of the remnants of that ‘smoke’ .
A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the ‘smoke’ that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, p. 50.)  The Lagoon nebula is a cloud of gas and dust, about 60 light years in diameter.  It is excited by the ultraviolet radiation of the hot stars that have recently formed within its bulk. (Horizons, Exploring the Universe, Seeds, plate 9, from Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy, Inc.) The illuminating stars we see at night were, just as was the whole universe, in that ‘smoke’ material.  God has said in the Quran:“Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...” (Quran 41:11)Because the earth and the heavens above (the sun, the moon, stars, planets, galaxies, etc.) have been formed from this same ‘smoke,’ we conclude that the earth and the heavens were one connected entity.  Then out of this homogeneous ‘smoke,’ they formed and separated from each other. God has said in the Quran:“Have not those who disbelieved known that the heavens and the earth were one connected entity, then We separated them?...” (Quran 21:30)Dr. Alfred Kroner is one of the world’s renowned geologists.  He is Professor of Geology and the Chairman of the Department of Geology at the Institute of Geosciences, Johannes Gutenberg University, Mainz, Germany.  He said: “Thinking where Muhammad came from . . . I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years, with very complicated and advanced technological methods, that this is the case.” Also he said: “Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics fourteen hundred years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind, for instance, that the earth and the heavens had the same origin.”
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 11:18 am
@usmankhalid665,
Quote:
at one point in time, the whole universe was nothing but a cloud of ‘smoke’
Khal, I had gathered from what I've picked up here and there that the start of the Big Bang was a nugget of unspecified size but great mass, probably of a uniform composition

The proponents of the serial Universe maintain that the expansion eventually slows to a stop, reversing, with the Big Crunch returning the Whole Shebang to that kernel

Maybe infinite mass but zero diameter
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 11:24 am
@usmankhalid665,
To summarize, your evidence is that:

1. The Quran says that the universe was once smoke and the correlates with inflationary cosmology's statement that at one point the early universe was hot and dense, but contained no objects in a modern sense.
2. The Quran says: "the heavens and the earth were one connected entity, then We separated them," which corresponds to the physics theory that all of the planets and stars have a common origin in the particles produced by the Big Bang and also in the fact that later each solar system individually coalesced from a cloud of gas and dust.
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usmankhalid665
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 11:32 am
Ever since the dawn of mankind, we have sought to understand nature and our place in it.  In this quest for the purpose of life many people have turned to religion.  Most religions are based on books claimed by their followers to be divinely inspired, without any proof.  Islam is different because it is based upon reason and proof.There are clear signs that the book of Islam, the Quran, is the word of God and we have many reasons to support this claim:·       
There are scientific and historical facts found in the Quran which were unknown to the people at the time, and have only been discovered recently by contemporary science. ·      
 The Quran is in a unique style of language that cannot be replicated, this is known as the ‘Inimitability of the Quran.’·       
There are prophecies made in the Quran and by the Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, which have come to be pass. 
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usmankhalid665
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 11:38 am
Scientific Facts in the Quran

The Quran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad in the 7th century.Science at the time was primitive, there were no telescopes, microscopes or anything even close to the technology we have today.  People believed that the sun orbited the earth and that the sky was held up by big pillars at the corners of a flat earth.  Within this backdrop the Quran was revealed, and it contains many scientific facts on topics ranging from astronomy to biology, geology to sociology.Some people may claim that the Quran was changed as new scientific facts were discovered but this cannot be the case because it is a historically documented fact that the Quran is preserved in its original language[1].  The Quran was written down and memorised by people during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad.  One of the copies of the Quran which was written a few years after the death of the Prophet Muhammad is preserved in a museum in Uzbekistan.  This copy is over 1400 years old and is exactly the same as the Arabic Quran that we have today[2].
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usmankhalid665
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 11:41 am
Expansion of the Universe

At a time when the science of Astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described in Quran:“And it is We who have built the Universe with [Our creative] power and keep expanding it.” (Quran 51:47)The fact that the universe is expanding was discovered in the last century.  The physicist Stephen Hawking in his book ‘A Brief History of Time’ writes, “The discovery that the universe is expanding was one of the great intellectual revolutions of the 20th century.”.The Quran mentioned the expansion of the universe even before the invention of the telescope!
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usmankhalid665
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 11:46 am
The Quran on Mountains

The Quran draws our attention to a very important characteristic of mountains:“Did We not make the earth a resting place? And the mountains as stakes?” (Quran 78:6-7)The Quran indicates that mountains have deep roots by using the word stakes to describe them.  In fact mountains do have deep roots, and the word stakes is an accurate description for them.  A book titled ‘Earth’ by Geophysicist Frank Press explains that mountains are like stakes, and are buried deep under the surface of the earth. Mount Everest (pictured below), the height of which is approximately 9 km above ground, has a root deeper than 125 km.The fact that mountains have deep ‘stake’ like roots was not known, until after the development of the theory of plate tectonics in the beginning of the 20th century.[6]
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usmankhalid665
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 11:48 am
The Quran on Sky’s Protection

The sky plays a crucial role in protecting the earth.  The sky protects the earth from the lethal rays of the sun.  If the sky did not exist then the sun’s radiation would have killed off all life on earth.  It also acts like a blanket wrapped around the earth, to protect it from the freezing cold of space.  The temperature just above the sky is approximately -270oC.  If this temperature was to reach earth then the planet would freeze over instantly.  The sky also protects life on earth by warming the surface through heat retention (greenhouse effect), and reducing temperature extremes between day and night[5].  These are some of the many protective functions of the sky.The Quran asks us to consider the sky in the following verse:“We made the sky a protective ceiling.  And yet they are turning away from Our signs!” (Quran 21:32)The Quran points to the sky’s protection as a sign of God.  The protective properties of the sky were discovered by scientific research conducted in the 20th century.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 01:51 pm
This joker is posting exactly this bullshit in another thread. It's copy and paste bullshit, an no kind of answer to your question.
BDV
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 01:57 pm
@usmankhalid665,
Quote:
The Quran on......

yes the Quran, what a wonderful source of pure science and historical fact
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 02:08 pm
@usmankhalid665,
Your personal interpretation of the subjective information you provided isn't even remotely valid as scientific evidence. It's been done a thousand times before by just about every believer of every religion on the planet. They all claim to have the "special" book with the special words in vague flowery form. They all fail.

And still, they all measure themselves against Science, thus validating scientific as the basic framework against which all else should be measured. The writing is on the wall, the days of religious mythology are numbered, the mere attempt to justify it against science undermines the faith upon which it depends.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 02:19 pm
@rosborne979,
Right on.
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BDV
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 02:22 pm
@rosborne979,
well said
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giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 04:15 pm
@glitterbag,
uh...thank you...I think.
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