Is There Any Reason to Believe the Biblical Story of Creation?

We believe logic precisely because it works in daily life. One could construct test after test to show that logic works. If that's your argument - that reasoning is wrong - then you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.


Give me any verifiable, repeatable evidence that a domain exists in which logic doesn't work. The only basis on which you could justify a belief in God is to make the argument that thinking is wrong. What a laugh. You may be positive that I will counter your arguments all over the board on a host of topics by pointing out that you haven't proven that logic works. If it's right when you say it, then it's right when I say it.

In that case, a positive belief that it exists is not rationally justified.

You missed the most important word to complete your opinion, and it's 'supernatural.' LOL

Tell it to the marines mate..

US marines church service after capturing Saipan, 1944

I have agree to that two dozen times already. YOUR thinking clearly does not work well.

That statement is false, and demonstrably so. Informal logic is hard-wired in us, innate. Babies couldn't learn a thing if there was no innate capacity for induction. Later on, this innate analysis tool is progressively re-enforced through experience (or not: some people don't trust logic too much), and formalised through schooling.

But even when placed in front of an apparently illogical outcome (the duality wave-particle for instance), we shake our head and maintain some trust in logic.


That domain exists in the mind of people. You are addressing it. You are trying to show that there is no evidence that a REAL referent exists for it outside of their mind, and with that I have agreed two dozen times already.

BUT AS I HAVE SAID MANY MANY TIMES ALREADY, THERE ARE OTHER REASONS WHY PEOPLE BELIEVE. THESE REASONS HAVE NOTHING TO SEE WITH LOGIC, OR WITH AN ANALYSIS OF EMPIRICAL FACTS.

I trust we can both agree with the capitalized statement above. You are free to consider other reasons than rationality totally dispensable or useless. And believers are free to consider your obsession with rationality myopic or one-sided.

As for me, I posit that metaphysics are a waste of time altogether, because I don't trust our logic to make sense outside of a particular domain for which we are wired to make sense, which is our environment, the natural world. As soon as someone starts asking questions such as: "what existed before time?", or "what is the first cause of the universe?", or "what exists outside the universe?", that someone steps beyond that domain, and thus I disregard his or her logic as meaningless.

And that general anti-metaphysic rule applies for those who want to prove logically than nothing exists outside our universe. They are just as metaphysically ridiculous as any other metaphysicist...

I should rephrase:

As soon as someone starts asking questions such as: "what existed before time?", or "what is the first cause of the universe?", or "what exists outside the universe?", that someone'S LOGIC IS TRYING TO step beyond that domain, and thus I disregard his or her logic as meaningless.

How about, what came first? LOL

The chicken, OF COURSE....

What came before the universe is quite posibly the quantum foam and this universe is the result of a fluctuation in tha relm.
We may be able to prove it's existance if we find evidence of another dimension...which looks promising as a possibility.

How do you know it's not a hoax? You know, like Global Warming... ;-)

How do I know what is a hoax?

The 'quantum foam'...

The evidence is quite convincing as demonstated by the Casimir Effect and the existence of virtual particles.
There is a guy named Jacob D. Bekenstein who may have a way to prove its exsistence. It sounds very promising in that it will use technology that already exists.

I'm watching and listening to Neil deGrasse Tyson as I read this. He's talking about cosmic foam. This is my second viewing of Tyson's Inexplicable Universe. I've been watching Tyson and Hawking and making up for not having taken physics in high school. Neither Tyson or Hawking are religious but, as I see it, physics does not exclude god. Philosophy might and does but physics does not. I see science as kind to religious but religion as a large toddler, standing with his fingers in his ears, screaming, "I'm not listening to you."

But, during my life, I have seen the planet warm. I have followed archaeology, anthropology, biology and physics as an interested and educated hobbyist. The religious people are creating a train wreck and dumbing down school children, to their own danger.

But the Bible is full of fascinating archaeology, anthropology, biology and physics, and all open-minded people find it fascinating..
For a start, Jesus said-
"I know where I came from and where I am going, but you have no idea where I come from or where I am going....you are of this world, I am not of this world...I'll tell you things hidden since the creation of the world" (John 8:14/ 8:23, Matt 13:35)

so technically Jesus was an alien visitor, and if that doesn't whet peoples appetite to learn more, they must be braindead!
Hey Spock will you listen to Jesus?

"But of course, I'm all ears"

Or so they say on youtube...

Guijohn is not listening. Global warming is too scary, I guess, or contradicting a naïve religious belief that science and technology and the United States of America can do no wrong.

But he's almost certain about what was there before the big bang though... LOL

You tube??
What the devil are ya smokin?

So the earth is warming...It has been on a regular warming/cooling cycle(every 100,000years) for the last million...SO WHAT???



Are ya on crack? When did I EVER say this? If you cant respond factually, dont embarrass yourself.

Hell, ya cant even get my user name right!