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Donald Sterling

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2014 03:57 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:
BillRM wrote:
That seems more of a problem for those charities,
who are openly placing the needs of their clients behind their desire to be PC.

I have to agree with you on this one. The mission of charities is to fund research, cure sick people, or whatever purpose they exist for. If management prioritizes looking chivalrous over serving their charity's mission, that's not a good thing.

And come to think of it, that's my view of this whole affair in a nutshell. I don't like racists. I approve of naming and shaming them. But I disapprove of disgruntled girlfriends illegally bugging private conversations so they can entrap their boyfriends. I disapprove of huge media campaigns to drive someone out of town based on such illegally-bugged conversations. And I disapprove of charities side-tracking their mission to partake in such campaigns. (Though I would except the UCLA, which was clearly reacting to a bad-faith misrepresentation by Mr Sterling.) If methods like these are the price of driving Mr Sterling out of town, I'd rather not pay it and put up with him remaining in his position.
AGREED.
If I found out that the NRA was rejecting financial donations
to the fight against gun control, to appear to be PC,
FOR SURE I 'd support an effort to vote the Board of Directors out of office.





David
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2014 04:08 pm
@Thomas,
Bravo!!! I agree. Thanks for making words for the addled... haha
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2014 04:12 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
People shud NOT be penalized for being financially successful
and the poor shud not be parasites on the middle class or the rich.


The rich buy the laws that the economic run under to a great degree with ten full time lobbies for every member of congress.

They largely are building up their networths in a more and more rig game not by any super skill or abilities.

The parasites are people who get the tax payers to build billions dollars sport stadiums and such at the tax payer cost not the working poor.

Who get government contracts that allowed them to charge 10,000 dollars for a toilet seat or 20,000 dollars for a coffee pot and so on.

For every Bill Gate type person there are a hundred rich parasitics that far far far outdo the poor as far as sucking up government resource directly or indirectly.

Hell we had even reach the same state as the late period of the Rome Republic where some of the rich have private militaries who services they sell to the US government and others..
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2014 05:10 pm
@BillRM,
DAVID wrote:
People shud NOT be penalized for being financially successful
and the poor shud not be parasites on the middle class or the rich.
BillRM wrote:
The rich buy the laws that the economic run under to a great degree
with ten full time lobbies for every member of congress.
GOOD. That is democracy as it shud be.

I ASSURE u that I fully exercise MY right to lobby; State and federal.



BillRM wrote:
They largely are building up their networths
in a more and more rig game not by any super skill or abilities.
Yea, we shud do that.



BillRM wrote:
The parasites are people who get the tax payers to build billions dollars sport stadiums
and such at the tax payer cost not the working poor.
OK, Bill. On that, we can agree.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2014 05:15 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Bravo!!! I agree. Thanks for making words for the addled... haha
Tom is my favorite liberal on A2K.
He has a good mind.





David
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2014 08:29 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Of course it is and turning down donors for PC reasons using the excuse to do so of some unproven repeat unproven theory that doing so will result in more funds coming in then not is a clear violation of those charities duty to their clients .


have you ever worked in fundraising? done any research in the area?
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2014 09:01 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
have you ever worked in fundraising? done any research in the area?


Would you care to link to any experts and or studies that support the idea of taking sides in a conflict that have nothing to do with the charities missions and refusing donation from non-PC donors would end up being a winning scheme?

Seems that lacking the studies I am sure you will be posting here that refusing to take sides and welcoming the funds of anyone who care to support their missions would likely to be the most rewarding for them.

To say nothing of the most moral position for them to take as once more their duty is to their clients not to support some PC position or other by turning away donors.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2014 09:06 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
have you ever worked in fundraising? done any research in the area?
blah blah blah


so your answer is no. you have no familiarity with fundraising.

you could have just said that.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2014 09:12 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
like I said, it's a balancing act


Of course it is and turning down donors for PC reasons


what is all this ******* PC bullshit everyone natters on about?

the reality is that a lot of big donors donate to charities for social benefits and p.r. - not because they have any interest in a particular charity. they're interested in who (other socially important donors and/or celebrities) they're going to meet at donor events and what mags they're going to get their photos in. they don't CARE about the charity.

I can't tell you how many donor events I've worked where the big donors have little or no idea what the charity is about - they just want to know when X or Y will be there for the photo op and where the social columnist is and who's taking pix
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2014 09:28 pm
@ehBeth,
So unlike me you are stating you are an expert in funds raising and therefore know that taking sides on public issues by turning away donors on the "wrong" side is a winning scheme for the charities.??????????

Of course we will not even touch on the morals of not accepting funds for their clients benefit over matters far from the charities charters.

The word maleficent keep coming to mind for officers of a charity to used their positions to support some viewpoint at the expense of their clients well being.

Hell I can think of a whole barrel full of issues where rejecting some donors as being unfit to give money to you would made the remaining donors happy and by your thinking as a expert that is a winning thing to do.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 May, 2014 03:53 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
have you ever worked in fundraising? done any research in the area?
BillRM wrote:
Would you care to link to any experts and or studies that support the idea of taking sides in a conflict that have nothing to do with the charities missions and refusing donation from non-PC donors would end up being a winning scheme?

Seems that lacking the studies I am sure you will be posting here that refusing to take sides and welcoming the funds of anyone who care to support their missions would likely to be the most rewarding for them.

To say nothing of the most moral position for them to take as once more their duty is to their clients not to support some PC position or other by turning away donors.
Yes. I think that is obvious.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 May, 2014 03:58 am
@ehBeth,

BillRM wrote:

Quote:
like I said, it's a balancing act


Of course it is and turning down donors for PC reasons
ehBeth wrote:
what is all this ******* PC bullshit everyone natters on about?

the reality is that a lot of big donors donate to charities for social benefits and p.r. - not because they have any interest in a particular charity. they're interested in who (other socially important donors and/or celebrities) they're going to meet at donor events and what mags they're going to get their photos in. they don't CARE about the charity.
Just speaking for myself, here:
every time that I donate to the NRA and the 2nd Amendment Foundation,
I CARE about them.





David
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 May, 2014 04:29 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Just speaking for myself, here:
every time that I donate to the NRA and the 2nd Amendment Foundation,
I CARE about them.


The same here as I know who they are and I have a strong desire to support their programs as my dollars are too precious to me to do otherwise.

But according to ehbeth that is not true of big donors and big donors are the only ones who matter to the charities to the point they are more then willing to write off large numbers of small donors if need be in order to be PC enough for the larger donors.

To me a charity such as UCLA kidney research program turning down millions in order to be PC mean that they have no real need for my donations as they must be rolling in funding.

It is also amusing that in order to be racially and PC correct UCLA is willing to hurt a program that deal with a condition/disease that effect the black population must more then other sub-groups.
Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 15 May, 2014 09:34 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
this is a piece to another reason for charities to disavow Sterling money - they could lose other donors who don't want to be on a list he is

That's a fair point.

(About your point about the circumstances of the recording: I'll double-check and get back to you.)
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 May, 2014 09:54 am
@BillRM,
DAVID wrote:
Just speaking for myself, here:
every time that I donate to the NRA and the 2nd Amendment Foundation,
I CARE about them.
BillRM wrote:
The same here as I know who they are and I have a strong desire to support their programs as my dollars are too precious to me to do otherwise.

But according to ehbeth that is not true of big donors and big donors are the only ones who matter to the charities to the point they are more then willing to write off large numbers of small donors if need be in order to be PC enough for the larger donors.

To me a charity such as UCLA kidney research program turning down millions in order to be PC mean that they have no real need for my donations as they must be rolling in funding.

It is also amusing that in order to be racially and PC correct
UCLA is willing to hurt a program that deals with a condition/disease
that affects the black population much more than other sub-groups.
I join in your observations.





David
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 May, 2014 11:06 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
To me a charity such as UCLA kidney research program turning down millions in order to be PC mean that they have no real need for my donations as they must be rolling in funding.


If that's your conclusion, you don't give things very much thought.

It may also mean they don't want to name a lab after Sterling, and put a gold plaque in the lobby honoring him and his wife, or to be pressured into doing those things because Sterling took out a full page newspaper ad proclaiming they would--and the deceptive ad was made to look as though UCLA had placed it.

If Sterling really wants UCLA to have his money, he might consider making future donations anonymously.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 May, 2014 11:46 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
If Sterling really wants UCLA to have his money,
he might consider making future donations anonymously.
In the face of their insolence,
I have a hunch that he might be able to find more preferable
places to put his millions. I remain willing to accept them.





David
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 May, 2014 11:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Re: firefly (Post 5665055)
firefly wrote:
If Sterling really wants UCLA to have his money,
he might consider making future donations anonymously.
In the face of their insolence,
I have a hunch that he might be able to find more preferable
places to put his millions. I remain willing to accept them.


I love Firefly having the nerve to suggest that after UCLA turn his million dollars down he could then placed a million dollars in cash in a large bag and leave it in their office when no one is looking or email a million dollars of bit coins to them with no traceable information attached.

Lot of good causes I am fairly sure would love to received his funding in an open manner.

As far as others donors are concern hopefully they will take note that UCLA seems not to have any great needs for further fundings and you better be without sin if you do donate funding or you are taking a chance that they will find you unfit to be a donor to them and they will then throw the funding back into your face.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 May, 2014 12:07 pm
@BillRM,
Did u attribute my writing to Firefly ?





David
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 May, 2014 12:26 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Did u attribute my writing to Firefly ?



No David I quote both firefly comments and your reply to them that I happen to agree with before adding my comments.

Still have the funny imagine of Stirling breaking into their office to leave a bag of a million dollars in cash on their desk.

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