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stephan Crothers destroys the concept of black holes

 
 
Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 10:03 am
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 11:12 am
Gunga Dim gets a twofer on this one--he gets to sneer at established, scientific authority, and he gets to promote a stealth creationist.

People might find this paper on Crothers' errors to be interesting.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 11:21 am
@Setanta,
People might also be interested in the Comments section following.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 11:40 am
Bridgeman's website is obviously agenda-driven and there is never going to be a shortage of idiots or ideologues calling real scientists like Crouthers charlatans and fakers, it comes with the territory.

Responses to the Bridgeman/Sharples pseudo-debunking:

http://vixra.org/abs/1111.0032
http://vixra.org/abs/1011.0062

Best:
http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/Bridgman.html


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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 11:46 am
@JTT,
I wonder why gunga voted my post down.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 11:49 am
@JTT,
Because I don't really enjoy looking at stupidity.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 11:51 am
@gungasnake,
Really, was that you, gunga?
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 11:53 am
@JTT,
You're in way over your head on this topic.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 11:57 am
@gungasnake,
I asked, "was that really you, gunga?"

Can't you answer a simple question?
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 12:50 pm
The vid in the first post is too long to watch, (my attention span is about 2 minutes tops) so does anybody care to tell us briefly what the guy is saying?
Scientists and astronomers have never understood black holes anyway because they say they have "infinite mass", which is obviously nonsense because if it was infinite we'd all have been sucked down them long ago.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 01:20 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Sure. Crouthers is saying that the mathematics upon which the notion of black holes is based is FUBAR. That corresponds fairly well with observational reality (the lack of any sort of real evidence for any sort of a black hole at the center of our own galaxy)...
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 01:21 pm
http://www.holoscience.com/wp/the-black-hole-at-the-heart-of-astronomy/
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 01:40 pm
@gungasnake,
Can't you answer a simple question, gunga?
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DarkCrow
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 02:42 pm
So my take-away from watching this...science, like other human activities, has cliques and clubs. It appears Stephan would never be invited to sit at the lunch table with the elitist physicists that subscibe to Albert's GR. I think scientists take temselves a bit too serious. I cannot wait until we are greeted by the Q Continuum and finally realize that our known "Universe" is a 3-D hologram in Q's brain. Maybe I will start the "Cosmos Church of the Q Continuum" and get Tax Free status!
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 04:46 pm
Scientists can be dumb sometimes,; for years they thought qasars were a long way away because their light was red-shifted so much, but I suggested to Sir Patrick Moore that perhaps their immense gravity was the only reason their light was red-shifted so much, and he said "perhaps you're right" and later mentioned it in one of his TV shows.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 04:59 pm
Picture: Giant Black Hole Blasting Holes in Surrounding Galaxy Cluster

http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/files/2014/01/rxj1532-600x600.jpg

The black hole (white) sits at the center of the galaxy RX J1532. X-ray image (yellow) courtesy NASA/CXC/Stanford/J. Hlavacek-Larrondo et al. Optical image (purple) courtesy NASA/ESA/STScI/M. Postman & CLASH team

A giant, supermassive black hole—likely the largest ever detected—is flexing its immense power in the heart of a distant galaxy cluster 3.9 billion light-years from Earth.

A new composite image from the Hubble and Chandra X-ray Space Telescopes shows the galaxy-size voids this “ultramassive” black hole is tearing in the gas cloud surrounding it.

Its influence is so great that supersonic jets from the black hole appear to be stripping its surroundings of hot gas, leaving behind giant empty spaces (shown as black spots amid the purple), each as large as our Milky Way galaxy at some 100,000 light-years across. (See National Geographic’s black hole pictures.)

The power displayed by this one object is almost ten times greater than that required to create the well-known cavities seen in the Perseus galaxy cluster (below).

http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/files/2014/01/perseushalloween_cxc_big-600x584.jpg


Picture: Giant Black Hole Blasting Holes in Surrounding Galaxy Cluster
Posted by Andrew Fazekas in StarStruck on January 27, 2014
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Astronomers have used NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory and a suite of other telescopes to reveal one of the most powerful black holes known. Credit: X-ray: NASA/CXC/Stanford/J.Hlavacek-Larrondo et al, Optical: NASA/ESA/STScI/M.Postman & CLASH team

The black hole (white) sits at the center of the galaxy RX J1532. X-ray image (yellow) courtesy NASA/CXC/Stanford/J. Hlavacek-Larrondo et al. Optical image (purple) courtesy NASA/ESA/STScI/M. Postman & CLASH team

A giant, supermassive black hole—likely the largest ever detected—is flexing its immense power in the heart of a distant galaxy cluster 3.9 billion light-years from Earth.

A new composite image from the Hubble and Chandra X-ray Space Telescopes shows the galaxy-size voids this “ultramassive” black hole is tearing in the gas cloud surrounding it.

Its influence is so great that supersonic jets from the black hole appear to be stripping its surroundings of hot gas, leaving behind giant empty spaces (shown as black spots amid the purple), each as large as our Milky Way galaxy at some 100,000 light-years across. (See National Geographic’s black hole pictures.)

The power displayed by this one object is almost ten times greater than that required to create the well-known cavities seen in the Perseus galaxy cluster (below).
THe famed flaming skull formation in the Perseus Galaxy Cluster is formed by jets from black holes carving out large cavities- which appear in this Chandra x-ray image as the eyes, nose and mouth features. Credit: A. Fabian (IoA Cambridge) et al., NASA

Jets from a black hole created the eyes, nose, and mouth of this eerie flaming skull in the Perseus galaxy cluster. Image courtesy Fabian (IoA Cambridge) et al., NASA

The same extreme phenomena has been spied elsewhere in the cosmos—but never on such a large scale, according to NASA.

Astronomers first spied this record-breaking galaxy cluster—which weighs about a quadrillion, or a thousand trillion, times the mass of our sun—thanks to how brightly it glowed in x-ray images. That glow is seen here in the Chandra/Hubble composite image up top as a purple cloud.

The black hole itself—which weighs as much as ten billion of our suns—is thought to lie at the heart of a giant elliptical galaxy at the center of the cluster, dubbed RX J1532.

Shockwaves from the formation of the galaxy-size cavities prevent the gas from condensing and cooling to form trillions of new stars.

Follow Andrew Fazekas, the Night Sky Guy, on Twitter and Facebook.
http://www.astronomy.com/authors/andrew-fazekas
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 05:06 pm
@gungasnake,
This is from:
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/80465/are-stephen-crothers-claims-legitimate


Are Stephen Crothers' claims legitimate? [closed]
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I came up last night with a talk given by Stephen J. Crothers in which he claims that black holes and the Big Bang have no basis in general relativity. But is he really true? How legitimate are his claims?



Here is the talk on YouTube, "The Non-existence of the Black Hole and the Failure of General Relativity": Part One, Part Two.


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This would be the same Stephen Crothers who seems proud of being expelled from his PhD course and has called Paul Davies and George Szekeres "inept". There may be occasions where one man is right and everyone else is wrong (Galileo?), but I don't think this is one of those occasions. – John Rennie Oct 12 '13 at 8:41
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There is no way to answer this if you're a layman. On the one hand you have Stephen Crothers saying black holes don't exist. On the other hand you have every other physicist since 1916 saying they do. As a layman how can you tell who is right? The only way to learn enough physics to judge for yourself. Every argument I could make to a layman comes down to saying that history suggests the majority are right most of the time. – John Rennie Oct 12 '13 at 9:37
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Einstein did not deny that the Schwarzschild metric was a valid solution to the equations of GR. He believed that in the real world a black hole wouldn't form due to rotation of the infalling matter. He subsequently discovered that his own equations predict that rotation cannot stop matter falling into a black hole once it gets closer than three Schwarzschild radii, and consequently changed his mind. The paragraph you cite says: This paper received no citations, and the conclusions are well understood to be wrong. – John Rennie Oct 12 '13 at 10:26
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I did look on Crothers' site, and I glanced through his papers on vixra.org. I have also read Schwarzschild's original paper - in fact I read it many years ago. My point is simply that non-specialists are not in a position to judge the validity of his claims so how can I answer your question? Except to say, which is undoubtably true, that his view is not the mainstream one. – John Rennie Oct 12 '13 at 14:11
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I'm downvoting for the reasons given here: meta.physics.stackexchange.com/q/4918 . If the OP wants to replace or supplement the video link with a link to Crothers' papers on vixra, I'll be happy to remove my downvote. – Ben Crowell Oct 12 '13 at 15:49




Just sayin'. He's not popular.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 08:01 pm
Maybe next, he can do brain surgery without studying medicine. After all, doctors have been hiding behind all that learning for years.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 08:03 pm
Thank heavens someone has finally exposed the century old conspiracy of tens of thousands of scientists around the world.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2014 08:22 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
[quoteThe vid in the first post is too long to watch, (my attention span is about 2 minutes tops. [/quote]

Gunga didn't watch it either. You two are perfect for those USA propaganda movies, simplistic enough to keep dolts like you watching.
 

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