Where does the US(Obama) get OFF Denying Countries UN Ambassadors Access To UN?

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The US played a small role in that revolution. The people mainly responsible for putting the Shah in power were the very same Islamic clerics who later deposed him in 1979.

That is pure BS.

The history of America's relationship with Iran illustrates the distance between the claim that we stand for democracy and freedom throughout the world and what the U.S. actually does when that principle is stacked up against another interest: controlling the spigot of the world's oil supply.

In 1953 the U.S. toppled Iran's popular prime minister, Mohammed Mossadegh, putting the Shah of Iran firmly in control.

The reason the U.S. toppled the Mossadegh regime boils down to one word, the same word that governs most of our policy in the region: oil.

When Mossadegh became prime minister, Iran had one-quarter of the world's proven oil reserves. And yet his country received more income from the sale of its carpets abroad than from its petroleum. The British Empire held a controlling interest in the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), and they were not shy about exerting that control.

You've been warned many times of oralloy's lying nature, Advocate, but you defended him many times just because he supports your delusion about Israel.

Advocate wrote:

oralloy wrote:

The US played a small role in that revolution. The people mainly responsible for putting the Shah in power were the very same Islamic clerics who later deposed him in 1979.

That is pure BS.

No, even among outsiders, the US role was minimal. The primary outside support came from the UK, who was trying to prevent Iran from stealing their oil.

However, all outsiders played minor roles in putting the Shah in power. The people primarily responsible for installing the Shah into power were the same Iranian clerics who later overthrew him.

As already noted...this is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation...and people like Hawk would have been spewing indignation in the other direction if Obama had made the decision the other way.

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As already noted...this is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation...and people like Hawk would have been spewing indignation in the other direction if Obama had made the decision the other way.

That does not even make sense, this move was demanded UNANIMOUSLY, It is not an R/D/Obama issue, it is a Washington issue. At base this is a window on how Washington no longer works, this is about how America has no honor. Now if Obama hod done the right thing I would have been cheering.

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As already noted...this is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation...and people like Hawk would have been spewing indignation in the other direction if Obama had made the decision the other way.

That does not even make sense, this move was demanded UNANIMOUSLY, It is not an R/D/Obama issue, it is a Washington issue. At base this is a window on how Washington no longer works, this is about how America has no honor. Now if Obama hod done the right thing I would have been cheering.

Now if Obama hod done the right thing I would have been cheering.

If the UN wants to move...I say we should help them pack.

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If the UN wants to move...I say we should help them pack.

The UN secretariat should indeed relocate if the US is not going to play ball -- the question is where?

Berlin is a lot more fun, and symbolically it makes more sense....except that too much of Europe already thinks that Germany is too big for its britches.

You've had plenty of time to point out one post where you approve of just one thing Obama has done, and can't find one

Category:Obama Administration initiatives

America's Great Outdoors Initiative
Our National Parks are massively underfunded, have been for a long time, are falling apart, and Obama has made the problem worse.
Disposition Matrix

Never heard of it.


Feed the Future Initiative

Never heard of it, but our last effort to bump up food production is ruining our farmland, and anyways the solution to not enough food is to have fewer people.

Let's Move!
Small bore and useless
MyRA

Small Bore, useless, and a bad idea.

National Export Initiative

Even if it worked it would not fix what ails the economy, has not worked, and there is very little evidence that much of any effort has gone into making it work

Open Government Initiative



This joker is a riot!

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You've had plenty of time to point out one post where you approve of just one thing Obama has done, and can't find one

Ya, I pretty much stopped talking about Obama doing things well once he got the job, because in my opinion has has done very little right or well as president. He kept Gates at SEC DEF which I said at the time was a good move. He had Hillary as SEC STATE which I said at the time was a bad move but I was wrong about that. He said he wanted to do High Speed Rail which would be a great idea but we dont have either the money or the political will to do it, so wanting HSR is right but announcing a HSR program (as Obama did) is idiotic when you know (or should know) before you start that you cant get it done. Being concerned about China more than Bush was is a good move but I have seen nothing accomplished on countering China so here again we have Obama with the right idea but with no follow through.

That about sums up the positives.

Other than some nice sounding but useless chin wagging do you have anything to add?

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Category:Obama Administration initiatives

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Obama_Administration_initiatives

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America's Great Outdoors Initiative
Our National Parks are massively underfunded, have been for a long time, are falling apart, and Obama has made the problem worse.
Disposition Matrix

Never heard of it.


Feed the Future Initiative

Never heard of it, but our last effort to bump up food production is ruining our farmland, and anyways the solution to not enough food is to have fewer people.

Let's Move!
Small bore and useless
MyRA

Small Bore, useless, and a bad idea.

National Export Initiative

Even if it worked it would not fix what ails the economy, has not worked, and there is very little evidence that much of any effort has gone into making it work

Open Government Initiative



This joker is a riot!

Where in the past have you ever posted anything that shows approval of something Obama has done?

You assume that Obama can't handle Hillary, and this is not clear. I have been Critical of his efforts to handle her in the past, but that fact is his way has worked till now. As a man I have nothing but admiration for Obama's willingness to go head to head with a strong smart woman, with his confidence in Himself. He might be right about his abilities with women, as he did well handling Michelle as well, he put her on a leash and she stayed there.

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Where in the past have you ever posted anything that shows approval of something Obama has done?

I will give you one:

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You assume that Obama can't handle Hillary, and this is not clear. I have been Critical of his efforts to handle her in the past, but that fact is his way has worked till now. As a man I have nothing but admiration for Obama's willingness to go head to head with a strong smart woman, with his confidence in Himself. He might be right about his abilities with women, as he did well handling Michelle as well, he put her on a leash and she stayed there.

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http://able2know.org/topic/125926-1#post-3483829

EDIT: of course later I would conclude that his abondance of confidence in himself is one of his great undoings..... it prevents working with others, and it is generally not warranted based upon the merits of his work.

The situation of this thread WAS a no win one for Obama