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Pat Tillman...Umass Article

 
 
Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2004 09:51 am
Not sure if anyone posted this before. Has anyone heard about this jackass at Umass and his article? I know alot of you are tree-hugging, anti-war, ect, but this puke took it too far. Flat-out disrespectful.

http://media.dailycollegian.com/pages/tillman_lobandwidth.html

"When the death of Pat Tillman occurred, I turned to my friend who was watching the news with me and said, "How much you want to bet they start talking about him as a 'hero' in about two hours?" Of course, my friend did not want to make that bet. He'd lose. In this self-critical incapable nation, nothing but a knee-jerk "He's a hero" response is to be expected.

I've been mystified at the absolute nonsense of being in "awe" of Tillman's "sacrifice" that has been the American response. Mystified, but not surprised. True, it's not everyday that you forgo a $3.6 million contract for joining the military. And, not just the regular army, but the elite Army Rangers. You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the "real" thick of things. I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life "Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed."

But, does that make him a hero? I guess it's a matter of perspective. For people in the United States, who seem to be unable to admit the stupidity of both the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, such a trade-off in life standards (if not expectancy) is nothing short of heroic. Obviously, the man must be made of "stronger stuff" to have had decided to "serve" his country rather than take from it. It's the old JFK exhortation to citizen service to the nation, and it seems to strike an emotional chord. So, it's understandable why Americans automatically knee-jerk into hero worship.

However, in my neighborhood in Puerto Rico, Tillman would have been called a "pendejo," an idiot. Tillman, in the absurd belief that he was defending or serving his all-powerful country from a seventh-rate, Third World nation devastated by the previous conflicts it had endured, decided to give up a comfortable life to place himself in a combat situation that cost him his life. This was not "Ramon or Tyrone," who joined the military out of financial necessity, or to have a chance at education. This was a "G.I. Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was prophetic idiocy.

Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into. It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his "service" was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in.

Perhaps it's the old, dreamy American thought process that forces them to put sports greats and "larger than life" sacrificial lambs on the pedestal of heroism, no matter what they've done. After all, the American nation has no other role to play but to be the cheerleaders of the home team; a sad role to have to play during conflicts that suffer from severe legitimacy and credibility problems.

Matters are a little clearer for those living outside the American borders. Tillman got himself killed in a country other than his own without having been forced to go over to that country to kill its people. After all, whether we like them or not, the Taliban is more Afghani than we are. Their resistance is more legitimate than our invasion, regardless of the fact that our social values are probably more enlightened than theirs. For that, he shouldn't be hailed as a hero, he should be used as a poster boy for the dangerous consequences of too much "America is #1," frat boy, propaganda bull. It might just make a regular man irrationally drop $3.6 million to go fight in a conflict that was anything but "self-defense." The same could be said of the unusual belief of 50 percent of the American nation that thinks Saddam Hussein was behind Sept. 11. One must indeed stand in awe of the amazing success of the American propaganda machine. It works wonders.

Al-Qaeda won't be defeated in Afghanistan, even if we did kill all their operatives there. Only through careful and logical changing of the underlying conditions that allow for the ideology to foster will Al-Qaeda be defeated. Ask the Israelis if 50 years of blunt force have eradicated the Palestinian resistance. For that reason, Tillman's service, along with that of thousands of American soldiers, has been wrongly utilized. He did die in vain, because in the years to come, we will realize the irrationality of the War on Terror and the American reaction to Sept. 11. The sad part is that we won't realize it before we send more people like Pat Tillman over to their deaths."

Rene Gonzalez is a UMass graduate student.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2004 09:55 am
This was addressed in the other Pat Tilman thread.

The column drew harsh criticism from many on campus. University president Jack Wilson says the op-ed piece was "disgusting, arrogant and intellectually immature."
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2004 09:57 am
LINK http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23810&start=60
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2004 09:59 am
According to last night's new cast Gonzalez packed up his apartment and left town. He's admitted that his article is way overboard and extended an apology to Tillman's family but claims that the whoel thing is an exercise in Freedom of Speech.

While I support his freedom to say whatever he wants to comments like "Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into." just show him to be a "pendejo".

Just as Gonzalez has little sympathy for Tillman, I have little for him. He's getting what he deserves.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2004 10:02 am
I agree, fishin'. It does no good to subjectify Pat Tillman's death any more that to objectify him as a poster boy to support the war. Reading about his life and his character, I don't believe he would be happy about either.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2004 10:21 am
Re: Pat Tillman...Umass Article
One of the many(very many) problems with this article is that it mixes and extremely offensive opinion

[/quote]I've been mystified at the absolute nonsense of being in "awe" of Tillman's "sacrifice" that has been the American response. .. This was a "G.I. Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was prophetic idiocy.[/quote]

with a very important point.

[/quote]Al-Qaeda won't be defeated in Afghanistan, even if we did kill all their operatives there. Only through careful and logical changing of the underlying conditions that allow for the ideology to foster will Al-Qaeda be defeated. [/quote]

And by doing so obscures and diminishes that point by using it to attack someone who should be admired.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2004 10:37 am
It's an act of cowardice to attack someone's character when they no longer alive to defend their honor. Not that Pat Tillman wouldn't give this the ultimate insult by ignoring it. I suggest the same as I don't believe it is to be considered as a nobel act by either liberals or conservatives.
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