Should Gay Pride Groups be Allowed to PIGGYBACK on Irish Pride Parades?

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The way I understand it Irish Pride Parade organizers objected to Gay Pride Groups Hijacking their event for their cause, Gay Pride Groups then called for a boycott of the Irish Pride events and they were successful in keeping the town mayors from coming.

Does this make any sense?

I am thinking that anyone can come, but if you are going to do it you celebrate the event this was organized for, Irish Pride. If you want to celebrate Gay Pride then organize your own event. I would say the same for any other political pressure groups....the parties, the abortion activists, the occupy people and so on.

What say you?

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@hawkeye10,

So, like, none of us irish types get to acknowledge gayness in a relatively historic parade of our forefathers and so on?

That's not my mode but I can be well sick of irishness and the virulent beliefs, of which I am well acquainted.

Of course they should get to parade. Hijacking? Long time non acknowledged part of the population, what with mortal sin and all. Crooks are ok, oft enjoyed.

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@ossobuco,

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Of course they should get to parade.

And be allowed to promote what ever they want? Maybe "GAYS LOVE THE IRISH!" should be fine but I dont think they have any business promoting non Pro Irish Messages at an Irish Pride event.

Are Gay pride people going to let Tea Party people march in their parades with signs about Tea Party Pride? I dont think so.

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@hawkeye10,

Maybe they are of irish descent and want to get to march.

Plus, I am assuming that others of irish descent (this is all about descent and allegiance) are fine with that too.. perhaps noticing family when the priest (oops, the priest!) wasn't around, and what those family members lived through.

I'm not part of the eastern u/s irish culture, but I've had enough of a lot of it.

Consider me an early child of the family rosary crusade.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

The way I understand it Irish Pride Parade organizers objected
to Gay Pride Groups Hijacking their event for their cause,
Gay Pride Groups then called for a boycott of the Irish Pride events
and they were successful in keeping the town mayors from coming.

Does this make any sense?

I am thinking that anyone can come, but if you are going to do it
you celebrate the event this was organized for, Irish Pride.

If you want to celebrate Gay Pride then organize your own event.

I would say the same for any other political pressure groups....
the parties, the abortion activists, the occupy people and so on.

What say you?

I have no knowledge of the history of this.
I 'm not anti-gay,
but I agree with your reasoning.

Presumably, the Gay Pride people shud be able to exclude anyone
of their choice.

Likewise, the Irish leaders shud have authority over their own event
to keep out Straight Pride paraders, or those who refuse to drink.

David

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@ossobuco,

I don't think some coterie of irish should own the parade.

Praise be Nuala O'Faolain, William Trevor, and more.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

I don't think some coterie of irish should own the parade.

IF thay CREATE it????

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

ossobuco wrote:
I don't think some coterie of irish should own the parade.
IF thay CREATE it????

Ya, I dont think that Irish Pride people need to let who ever wants to come in any more than I need to let who ever wants to come into my house come...Freedom of association also include the freedom to not associate.

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@hawkeye10,

Yes. The counter-argument
is that those excluded own the public streets.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I haven't researched the people who started it, but for long time, a lot of people have gone with it, what with the wearing of the green and booze.
If there is anything sometimes true about the irish or later american generations, it's that we hold, even savor, grudges. (Consider my angry aunt..)

It's only fair that grudges can have equal representation.

I don't mean to make light of real irish pride.

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@hawkeye10,

Am I mistaken? Is this a city supported parade? Police, et al?

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There are a whole slew of "ethnic" oriented parades in NYC thoughout the year. Do gays march in any of those other parades, under a rainbow banner? In other words, should any parade be allowed to be exclusive? Or, should they only be allowed to march, if the parade is inclusive? The problem might be that the parade is under the auspices of the Catholic Church?

A solution would be that only those affiliated with the Catholic Church be allowed to march. In effect, the banner for the police would be "Catholic Police." Same for the firemen, same for the Parochial School marching bands. In other words, the parade would stop using non-Catholics that does beef-up the parade, so to speak.

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@ossobuco,

Is Irish Pride some sort of incorporated thing through the years?

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@Foofie,

There are irish who aren't believers in catholicism, or perhaps more accurately, are distainers.

Auspices is an interesting word.

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@ossobuco,

The Parade is for Irish and those who want to show support for the Irish. Showing support for gay pride or gay rights is not that.

The NYC mayor says that he only support parades that let anyone it. I wonder if that includes skinheads.

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Here's the other side of the story here in Albuquerque at last year's gay pride parade. A bunch of bible thumpers tried to shut down the parade and ended up being removed by police.

I suspect the merging of the gay pride issues into the Irish Pride parades is in response to these kind of protests at gay pride parades.

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@hawkeye10,

The news is, there are gay irish, and they have been quieted in many ways for many (many) decades, centuries, not least by very overwhelming religion throughout the land.

They get to march.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

The news is, there are gay irish, and they have been quieted in many ways for many (many) decades.

Maybe they should be quiet. Is St Patricks Day Parade the place to promote socialism? How about BDSM? What makes gay rights any different? How do I get my causes on the approved list to sell when ever and where ever I want to matter what those around me are doing, no matter how offended they are?

Are you ready to allow the NRA to march in any parade they want to be in, selling gun culture?

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@Butrflynet,

Butrflynet wrote:

Here's the other side of the story here in Albuquerque at last year's gay pride parade. A bunch of bible thumpers tried to shut down the parade and ended up being removed by police.

I suspect the merging of the gay pride issues into the Irish Pride parades is in response to these kind of protests at gay pride parades.

[YouTube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CAaEbSl2Ksk[/youtube]

Does anyone say thay cant heckle from the sidewalks ??

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@OmSigDAVID,

Does anyone say that a group must respect another group's event while their own event is disrespected from the sidewalk, rooftop or circus tent?

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