Should Gay Pride Groups be Allowed to PIGGYBACK on Irish Pride Parades?

@hawkeye10,

If you can prove to me that there never existed a single solitary gay male or female who was born from Irish descent then Gay Pride groups shouldn't be allowed to piggyback on Irish Pride Parades around the country.

But since odds are there have been and still are Irish gay males and females then yes. They should be able to show their pride for their beloved Ireland. They shouldn't be treated as subhuman by their own cultural brethren if their brethren just happen to be homophobic shitheaded bigots. Homophobic shitheaded bigots shouldn't be allowed to attend the parade.

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@hawkeye10,

Gender/sexuality isn't a philosophy.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Maybe they should be quiet. Is St Patricks Day Parade the place to promote socialism?

Who's the idiot who claims to be a zen socialist? Albeit a group of one singular person who writes the rules for membership to that very exclusive and not so socialist movement.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

Gender/sexuality isn't a philosophy.

What is your standard for who gets to show up when ever where ever they want no matter what anyone else thinks to sell their wares? How does one get on the list of those who can not be refused?

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@tsarstepan,

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Albeit a group of one singular person who writes the rules for membership to that very exclusive and not so socialist movement.

for an event to maintain a theme it must be exclusionary. There are politicians ( the mayor of NYC for example ) who will pretend otherwise and idiots who will believe them but let's not let any affinity for the politics of inclusion get us spouting gibberish to maintain it.

for there to be an Irish Pride Parade messages (not people) must be excluded. The only questions are who gets to decide, can gay rights pressure groups ever be told no, and if not who else can never be told no? What is the standard?

Bitching about exclusion is a red herring.

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@hawkeye10,

If people are irish for a day, that's ok with me. Most of those people who even pay any attention, around the wide world, probably have some connection, as a relative or friend, or an associate at the bar.

Keeping out whole sections of people of irish heritage for saying they are actually (actually!) gay, is first, tacky. Secondly, retrograde.

Meantime, all the catholic school children parade on city streets, as catholic school children.

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@hawkeye10,

If the thematic parade excludes irish who are gay, that's not gibberish but verbal and administrative violence to a fair segment of the population.

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@hawkeye10,

Where is your condemnation for those bible thumpers attempting to disrupt the singularly-themed event known as the Gay Pride Parade?

Shouldn't your contempt for off-theme disruption go both ways if that is truly what has your dander up?

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@ossobuco,

Is the archdiocese paying for the parade?

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@Butrflynet,

Butrflynet wrote:

Where is your condemnation for those bible thumpers attempting to disrupt the singularly-themed event known as the Gay Pride Parade?

Shouldn't your contempt for off-theme disruption go both ways if that is truly what has your dander up?

The Gay Political Pressure groups are the ones in conflict with those running the Irish Pride Parades, thus the thread title, but if you were following along you would know that my interest is in disusing any and all efforts to maintain an event with any meaning by way of practicing exclusion. Nobody is going to let me go to a city hall meeting and start talking about national defense policy for instance, there has to be some standards for what messages are allowed otherwise you have chaos. If we let anyone march in the parade today saying what ever they want what we would have is a lot of people walking down the street trying to sell us their ideas, it would mean nothing, and it would be a useless mishmash. People must be told no. But who, and who decides, and why?

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@Butrflynet,

Butrflynet wrote:

Does anyone say that a group must respect another group's event
while their own event is disrespected from the sidewalk, rooftop or circus tent?

I dunno for sure,
but I deem it unlikely that anyone has said that.

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@Butrflynet,

I 'd be interested in your vu
of the point that Hawkeye raised, to wit:
what about the BDSM guys marching in the Gay Pride Parade??

OK to reject, in your opinion ??

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@OmSigDAVID,

Assuming he is proud of it and wants to demonstrate that associated pride in the gay pride event, I think Hawkeye should be allowed to participate in the event if he chooses to do so.

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@Butrflynet,

In your opinion, who is right
if some BDSM folks wanna march in the Gay Pride Parade,
but its leaders wanna avoid being associated with perversity ?

Do u believe that the Gay Leaders are within their moral rights
to reject the BDSMs ??

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@OmSigDAVID,

That has already been and is being discussed in the gay community. They aren't monolithic. Some members of the gay community are unhappy with the increasingly sexual nature of the pride parades. So far, they've chosen to just discuss and try to convince participants that it is a disservice to the years of working for acceptance in the straight community. Others think it is needed to counter the exaggerated stereotypes some folks preach against.

The Onion did a spoof article on the topic that might interest you. Here is an excerpt of the concluding paragraphs.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/gaypride-parade-sets-mainstream-acceptance-of-gays,351/

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The parade's influence extended beyond L.A.'s borders, altering the attitudes of straight people across America. Footage of the event was featured on telecasts of The 700 Club as "proof of the sin-steeped world of homosexuality." A photo spread in Monday's USA Today chronicled many of the event's vulgar displays–understood by gays to be tongue-in-cheek "high camp"–which horrified previously tolerant people from coast to coast.

Dr. Henry Thorne, a New York University history professor who has written several books about the gay-rights movement, explained the misunderstanding.

"After centuries of oppression as an 'invisible' segment of society, gays, emboldened by the 1969 Stonewall uprising, took to the streets in the early '70s with an 'in-your-face' attitude. Confronting the worst prejudices of a world that didn't accept them, they fought back against these prejudices with exaggeration and parody, reclaiming their enemies' worst stereotypes about them and turning them into symbols of gay pride," Thorne said. "Thirty years later, gays have won far greater acceptance in the world at large, but they keep doing this stuff anyway."

"Mostly, I think, because it's really fun," Thorne added.

The Los Angeles Gay Pride Parade, Thorne noted, is part of a decades-old gay-rights tradition. But, for mainstream heterosexuals unfamiliar with irony and the reclamation of stereotypes for the purpose of exploding them, the parade resembled an invasion of grotesque outer-space mutants, bent on the destruction of the human race.

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@tsarstepan,

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homophobic shitheaded bigots.

There are plenty of reasons to dislike homosexuals. It does not make that person a bigot. It is a reasoned decision sometimes based on faith or disease prevention. But name calling for anyone who opposes what many consider unnatural and for obvious reasons, is a liberal reflex that is devoid of any understanding. Such as the physical make up of men and women and procreation are valid reasons.

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@Butrflynet,

Butrflynet wrote:

Assuming he is proud of it and wants to demonstrate that associated pride in the gay pride
event, I think Hawkeye should be allowed to participate in the event if he chooses to do so.

This debate has nothing to do with who is allowed to participate as no one has claimed that gays or anyone else should not, this is about what messages are allowed in the parade.

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@hawkeye10,

You brought it into the discussion when you said this:

hawkeye10 wrote:

ossobuco wrote:

Gender/sexuality isn't a philosophy.

What is your standard for who gets to show up when ever where ever they want no matter what anyone else thinks to sell their wares? How does one get on the list of those who can not be refused?

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@hawkeye10,

If parade messages were being filtered, you'd be one of the first people accusing censorship and loss of an audience for your freedom of speech just as you do on A2K in reference to the ignore button, thumbs and tagging filters.

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@Butrflynet,

Butrflynet wrote:

If parade messages were being filtered, you'd be one of the first people accusing censorship and loss of an audience for your freedom of speech just as you do on A2K in reference to the ignore button, thumbs and tagging filters.

no, because xyz parades have nothing to do with debates, and there is no point in having lots of different opinions....you either support the cause or you stay away, those are your options.

Edit: or you start your own parade to celebrate what ever it is that you believe....diversity of opinions is the american way, this business that we all need to cheer gay rights is bullshit, it is no better than the mandate that all celibate Hitler would was. Once the person is no longer free to choose what to believe or what to cheer any illusion that America as the land of the free is dead.

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