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Bumper sticker and note in response

 
 
Reply Sat 24 Apr, 2004 11:24 am
Last fall, I received a bumper sticker at the Ashcroft demonstration that reads, "Make Jobs Not War." Last night, parked along side the Harvard Law School in Cambridge, my car gathered the following note:

"You cannot make jobs -- that a silly delusion. You can make babies, you can educate them,you can make sensible decisions, but not jobs. Market doesn't workthe way you'd like it -- it's similar (sic) to a force of nature. Get real!"

While it was signed with an email addy and phone number, I will not publish the name of the woman (I believe it be a woman by the handwriting and the email addy) here but will invite her to this thread.

What do you think?

10 minutes of computer time: will write more later.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 24 Apr, 2004 11:37 am
Well, unfortunately Wars Make Jobs...hmmmm...might have to get some printed up.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 24 Apr, 2004 12:02 pm
The Vietnam War did not make jobs: people who graduated from college with me in 1969 had to look very hard for work.

As for the writer's charge that you can make babies, in one sense, you can not! Making babies should mean starting from scratch! Frankenstein is fiction and cloning humans is still a long way off.

Obviously, this person does not understand the antecedant of this bumper sticker, Make Love not War. Nor does she understand how protest works.

Her market philosophy is strictly University of Chicago and I think she and it are wrong.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 24 Apr, 2004 12:26 pm
Do you think the note leaver is a person for whom, "Free Men, Free Markets" is a bible? I do!
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suzy
 
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Reply Sat 24 Apr, 2004 02:37 pm
Hey! I was there! Smile
I still have the bumper sticker, but not on my car.
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Montana
 
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Reply Sun 25 Apr, 2004 08:38 am
Hmmmm.... Just waiting to see if she shows up.
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Seva Shlomo Brodsky
 
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Reply Sun 25 Apr, 2004 02:06 pm
Susan has provided the necessary info by now -- thank you, Susan! But I'll post the original here nonetheless in order to save time (gotta study for the finals), more on this later.


Dear Susan,

1. I'm a man;

2. I did go to the website http://boston.abuzz.com/interaction/s.369797
and left some feedback of my own (this e-mail);

3. You have to be more specific about www.able2know.com -- I didn't see
anything right away, and I have no time to do the search, so as a
courtesy to me I'll ask you to please give me the exact location or
instructions where to find what you would like me to see;

4. I'll make a few clarifications now, in view of the rush I was in when
I was writing the little note for you with my frozen fingers:

The market is quasi-controllable. True, there is big business, there is
big money, there are big wigs and powerful special interest groups. But
even they do not control the market completely. Job creation is the
effect of economic activity, which is "guided" by the corporate and
government decisions. One does not just decide to "create jobs" and then
do it -- this is an absurdity in view of causal relationships (cause and
effect). There are many mechanisms which we do not understand about the
market. By its very nature, our knowledge of it changes it, therefore we
can never really know it. True laissez-faire capitalism can be a
dangerous thing. Too much regulation/control will ruin the economy.
Gotta find that fragile and delicate balance somehow.

5. Babies can and are being made -- by sexual intercourse, by in-vitro
fertilization, etc. Sometimes this process is unintentional. But we do
make children, and then we do educate them. And if we start filling
their heads with silly unrealistic notions, they'll be prone to ruin
their own lives when they grow up, and our economy too.

Regards,

Seva Shlomo Brodsky,
[email protected],
law student (not HLS) and ex-engineer,
not a native English speaker
(Russian was the correct guess),
follower of Milton Freedman indeed,
(h) 617-628-0607
(m) 617-921-6129

P.S. Socialism does not work, sorry to disappoint you all.


siobhan wrote:

> Dear Ms. (I believe you to be a woman) Brodsky:
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> Please go to these websites:
>
> http://boston.abuzz.com/interaction/s.369797
>
> and
>
> www.able2know.com
>
> look for an interaction entitled, "Bumper sticker and
> note in response" for my reaction (partial) to your
> note.
>
> BTW, you can make jobs. The market is something
> highly controlled and controllable, not a force of
> nature. Despite the common expression, you really can
> not make babies.
>
> Susan
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suzy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Apr, 2004 02:22 pm
Fascinating discussion over there.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 25 Apr, 2004 02:35 pm
Seva, it is a good idea not to leave your email address or phone numbers on a post on any web forum. At a2k you can safely include such information in a Private Message (pm) to an individual if you want.

Internet spy mechanisms routinely search through internet forums, and can pick up email addresses. This can easily result in your getting a great deal of SPAM.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Sun 25 Apr, 2004 02:45 pm
I like yours a lot, POM. Very clever. FDR made jobs to get the US out of the depression, I think, with the CCC, among others.

My bumper stickers are political but obscure. One says "Stop Continental Drift" and the other "Bam".

But Panzade is right -- war makes jobs, too.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 25 Apr, 2004 02:54 pm
Piff, while I appreciate your concurrence, POM has already dismissed my point with some startling statistics.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Sun 25 Apr, 2004 02:59 pm
Haven't seen these statistics... would question them since 25-29% of the government's budget goes for military costs... that's a lot of jobs. I'm from Boeing country (well, until Boeing decided to move to Chicago). The military industrial complex, which I equate with war jobs, is a huge industry.
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