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Kerry has lost my vote.

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 10:33 am
Oh please. Ebrown_p is spouting propaganda and you are buying into rabel22.

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The right to force teachers to teach out-dated biblical myths in science classes.


The gov't isn't "forcing" any teacher to do anything. Especially not the "right". If you have some proof of this, I would certainly be interested in seeing it.

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The right to jail American citizens without access to a lawyer.


You mean like Jose Padilla? Can you name 3 more? Besides, this, again, is just overblown, zealous propaganda. Proof?

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The right to keep your neighbors from marrying the person they are in love with.


This is truly a bi-partisan effort. Besides, what about the dad's that love their daughters. Shouldn't they be allowed to get married?

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The right to prevent states from giving all of its citizens equal marriage rights.


All citizens have equal rights now. It is as illegal for a heterosexual to marry a same sexed partner as it is for a homosexual. Seems equal to me.


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The right of the government to spy on American citizens.


Huh? That's just common sense. The police do it all the time. It's called criminal investigations and it's what keep us law abidding citizens safe.

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The right to destroy the environment, including wetlands and national reserves, for profit.


That's just goofy. They should destroy the environment just for kicks?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 10:42 am
You don't have much of a sense of humor, do ya McGentrix.

I was parodying Scrat's ridiculous attempt to spin conservative issues as civil rights. My post was meant to be ridiculous to show that anything can be portrayed as a "right" if you spin it as such.

I wasn't expecting a serious reponse, There's nothing more than that. Let's carry on.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 10:52 am
My apologies. I get so used to some of the far-fetched ideas here that I mistakenly took yours as being serious.

Again, my apologies.
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husker
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 12:44 pm
You guys discuss this? What's the deal?

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Kerry 'Unfit to be Commander-in-Chief,' Say Former Military Colleagues
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
May 03, 2004
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=\SpecialReports\archive\200405\SPE20040503a.html

(CNSNews.com) - Hundreds of former commanders and military colleagues of presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry are set to declare in a signed letter that he is "unfit to be commander-in-chief." They will do so at a press conference in Washington on Tuesday.
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Umbagog
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 12:46 pm
In this case, Kerry is the lesser of two evils, and boy, ain't that the truth.

I would be more than happy to vote for ANYONE besides the two-headed beast that pretends to be different from its other head, but what is the point unless this third candidate rises up to eclipse the other "two". Nader demonstrated that the idealist vote only takes votes away from one head or the other, and even still, it doesn't matter which head wins, because it is still the one beast.

Bush, a candidate, got the USSC to act on his behalf, which means the votes of the people mean nothing now. There is a way around it.

Kerry is a neocon as much as Bush is. Why do you think he is considering Gephart for Veepee? Yet another neocon. If you base the vote for the Medicorp Bill as indicative of who is a neocon in Congress, you come up with 52 % of both houses being neocons - a majority.

Only a hero could rise up in the third party position to threaten the neocons. With real republicans reduced to 8 percent, and real democrats floundering at 40 %, neither can fight back the neocons.

Nader isn't the man, and neither is Perot. If anyone manages to do this, it will be someone highly charismatic and youthful, like the Anti-Christ, for example.

Regardless, corruption is settling in now that no one is really challenging our government to actually govern instead of rule over us. This happened to ancient Rome too, and Republic shifted into Empire with hardly a sword-thrust. The Romans capitulated to their leaders because they wanted security from the uncertain world around them.

Much the same is happening today. Another half a century or so, and America won't be even close to a Republic anymore. That is, if Nature doesn't intervene, or we don't blow ourselves to Kingdom Come.

History has plenty of excellent examples to illuminate our own times. We are past the peak, and sliding downward toward decline and eventual collapse now. I doubt anyone will be able to stop it.
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Umbagog
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 12:50 pm
SOUTER is yet another sign. Did you ever read "A Clockwork Orange"?
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 01:31 pm
Umbagog wrote:
Bush, a candidate, got the USSC to act on his behalf, which means the votes of the people mean nothing now. There is a way around it.

<spilt milk alert> Rolling Eyes
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 06:35 pm
Kerry is not a done deal.

The Dem convention may hold some surprises.

There is WAY TOO MUCH TALK about Kerry not being a viable choice. And the Dems aren't coming in with big guns to shoot down this speculation.

It may be the most raucous convention since Kennedy almost went against incumbent Carter...
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 08:20 pm
Most of the talk of dumping Kerry seems to me to be coming from non Democrats - a sort of, "Let's you and him fight."
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 08:37 pm
Responding to edgar's--
Most of the talk of dumping Kerry seems to me to be coming from non Democrats - a sort of, "Let's you and him fight."
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I wouldn't have added it here, if what I'd heard had been coming just from conservative sources.

I've heard continued speculation from big Dem supporters on CNN, and read in articles (not right leaning)... (Of course, I view them as big Dem supporters Smile

Its like the party is putting out feelers to gauge public reaction. I really don't have a partisan agenda with this comment. Just interested.

I should say Bush is not doing terribly well at present--and you'd think Kerry would be capitalizing on it--but he's floundering, too. You'd think there would be one or two people in this country people could be excited about.

Shall we do an American Idol Presidential Candidate? (I actually heard there would be such a production...)

Frankly, this may be the best answer to rid ourselves of the crooks on our payroll, since they all refuse finance reform...

Kidding...


sorta.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 09:01 pm
There could be some truth in what you say. Still, it's natural for the adversary to exploit every percieved or actual weakness.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 09:42 pm
Its stuff like that, that makes politics invigorating, to me at least. A nomination wrestled and won on the convention floor.

It peeves me that the machine is so well-oiled that you and I don't have much of a choice in the matter.

The only thing in politics more appealing than putting the one that is closest to my views in office, would be to help throw a huge wrench in that corrupt machine.

Sometimes, while we all fuss over issues, I feel we are unwittingly herded away from what is really vital. I don't understand how a few can screw so many, for so long, and why we continue to allow it.

<end of unplanned tirade>
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2004 09:43 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
Most of the talk of dumping Kerry seems to me to be coming from non Democrats - a sort of, "Let's you and him fight."

LOL! (That's a laugh of appreciation for the humor of your comment, not a laugh of disdain!) Very Happy I do wonder about this, since I seem to be encountering contradictory reports these days... some tell me that Kerry pretty much has it to lose, and others tell me that he couldn't get arrested this November. You'll note I only shared the latter point of view when I found it espoused within a decidedly liberal source... The Village Voice. I must admit to not knowing the leanings of the particular author, though.
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Jer
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2004 02:11 am
John Kerry: Two New Ads
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husker
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2004 07:58 am
I was wondering if the Clintons will figure out how to undermine Kerry for a Bush win in 2004 to ensure a Hillary nomination in 2008?
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2004 09:15 am
Craven de Kere wrote:
It is a fallacy that recognition of practical function of vote constitutes a desertion of principle. It's simply a different criterion.

Practical idealism supercedes naive idealism in my own principles.


Let's put pennants all around this post and get girls in skimpy outfits leaping about on top. This is it, ebrown.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2004 06:31 am
Go read what Farmerman has written on this page...and then relate that to craven's post...and then think about your vote

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23873&start=60
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2004 08:04 am
Blatham,

I read the thread you linked to. I agree with farmeman and this is the reason that Bush will not be receiving my vote.

The problem is that no one can give me a good reason to vote for Kerry. The very fact that you refer to a link about Bush's failings in this thread should tell you you something.

I don't accept these charges of naivete. If I vote for a candidate who doesn't represent me, I am wasting my vote. A party that can expect my vote doesn't need to address my concerns. I think my position is the best way to make my vote count. A vote that can be taken for granted is worthless.

All I am saying is that if my vote is so god-damned important to the Democrats in their heroic battle against the very incarnation of evil and the end of Western civilization-- they shouldn't alienate me by ignoring every single issue that I find important.

Kerry was sold as the "electable" candidate. There seems to be no other reason to vote for the pathetic bastard. What a shame if they were wrong.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2004 11:02 am
ebrown has convinced me to vote Nader once again. It does not appear he was looking for converts, but I voted Nader the last two elections and I will feel more comfortable doing so again. Kerry was never my choice from the beginning. I like him for his anti Vietnam War activities and I admire the fact he did not disgrace his uniform the way Bush did, but in the end he is just another politician. Nader has vision and and actually wants to tackle the problems that beset us.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2004 11:45 am
blatham watches his rhetorical strategy sink rusting beneath the waves. Clearly, I ought to be arguing that folks head down to the post office and vote for Bush.

The girl you love, the one with the pretty smile and bubbling laugh and the integrity, tells you on the eve before you are to wed that her pretty smile is actually enhanced with cheek implants...and you both ALWAYS had agreed that such cosmetic surgery was shallow and false and a paradigm example of what your personal principles ought never to validate.

So, you go marry the ugliest and meanest girl in town?
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