The Trinity (a discussion)

There he goes again.

The trinity is based on intransitivity. God is the Father, but the Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit. God is the Son, but the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. God is the Holy Spirit, but the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son.

Thus, it was not the case that He sent Himself on a suicide mission, etc. Rather, God in the Father sent God in the Son to save the world.

That's the gist of it, according to Church Tradition....

Huh, JC did not recommend 'Church Tradition'.

Intransitivity? Bwahahahahahhahahahahaha

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Welcome back Smiley, but so sorry to hear of your sight troubles.
Good to hear that the tools available now make it still possible to communicate.

All the best to you.

"According to Church Tradition...." being the operative sentence", but which church?

You are not supposed to make sense of it.

But I believe in the Trinity nonetheless. Also, this part will blow up your head.
https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/jesus-and-satan-referred-to-as-the-morning-star.html
Jesus and Satan are really the same person.

Just say "schizophrenia" and go along with it.

As Moses lifted up the bronze 'IMAGE' of a serpent on a pole in the wilderness, in order that all those who were dying because of the serpents venom coursing through their veins, only had to turn to the "IMAGE" that had been lifted up, to be saved.

In the same Manner (I repeat, In the same manner) Jesus, the earthly 'IMAGE' of the 'SON OF MAN' had to be lifted up on a pole, in order that all those who are dying because of the venom of the old serpent, only had to turn to his perfected 'IMAGE' that had been lifted up, in order to be saved.

"You shall not make for yourself a graven IMAGE."

Btw, my Bible simply says "As Moses lifted up the serpent, so the Son of Man shall be lifted up."
(Get a better Bible)
Jesus is not intended as an image, but as a treatment for the poison of sin.

Moses had participated in God's punishment for the worship of an image of the golden calf. If this was an image, why was Moses pushing it? This wasn't an image, but a lasting sign that God wanted us not to be afraid. That's the first thing most angels say. They tell us not to be afraid. This was not an image but a reminder of God's sovereignty over the snake.

Likewise, Jesus is raised up, by having him hang on a tree.

Peter calls the cross a "tree", to draw parallel to a Jewish curse against hanging from a tree. That is, Jesus was raised up above us to be a visible reminder, that someone bore the curse of our sins. We are not to make him an image (seriously man, toss that Bible of yours), but rather worship God as God.

Was it a real live snake that Moses lifted up upon a pole, or was it a bronze image of a snake?

Was the man Jesus, our Lord God and saviour, 'THE SON OF MAN', or was he the earthly temple which was filled with the spirit of our Lord God and saviour, who revealed himself through the 'WORDS' that he spoke through his earthly image and the miracles that he worked through his obedient servant, "Jesus"?

Whose 'WORDS' were these; "Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up?

It was a bronze snake.

Not the image of a bronze snake. A bronze snake.

Just as it wasn't the image of Jesus, it was actually Jesus.

You seem to be hung up on idolatry, so let's review.

I don't understand why a bronze snake was chosen vs a real snake, not when Moses smashed the ten commandments over a golden calf. But the image of a bronze snake is actually not the genuine article but a representation (drawing or painting) of a snake on a pole. Moses did not have them look at a painting.
Neither should you look at Christ Crucified by Diego Valazquez, and base your faith around it. Jesus is male because that's how he is depicted?

We do not use images when the genuine article exists.

Word. Capital and singular. Jesus is the Word of God.

Jesus spoke those words (lowercase and plural) to a group of people that were so fixated on an idol that they forgot the power of God. That's right, even that which we see as holy, like the Temple or the Torah, can become an idol if you focus on image. The Jews thought their Temple was ordained by God and that nothing would be able to shatter or destroy it. But the real Temple fell in 70 AD, after a series of strange miracles.
The doors swung open at night, the lights went out, the cloth used for offering no longer turned white but stayed red, and lot continuously fell on "scapegoat." There was also the curtain being torn apart from the top down, meaning the holiest room couldn't be used anymore.

Indeed, it was an 'IMAGE' of a snake made out of bronze



Indeed, it was not an image of a bronze snake, it was an 'IMAGE' of a real snake made out of bronze.



Indeed, it was actually the man Jesus, the earthly "IMAGE" of ‘THE SON OF MAN’ who had filled Jesus with his spirit on the day that he was baptised, and who was lifted up upon a pole, in the same manner and for the same purpose that Moses had lifted up the ‘IMAGE of the serpent which was made out of bronze, in order that all who were dying from the venom of the serpent, only had to turn to the ‘IMAGE’ that had been lifted up in order to be saved.

It was “THE SON OF MAN” the ‘MOST HIGH’ in the creation, who mentally descended from his high point in time and was accepted by Abraham as his God, and it was the God of Abraham, who said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; “I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed MY WORDS, which he shall speak in MY NAME, I will surely punish, etc.”

Peter revealed that prophet to be the man Jesus, when he said in Acts 3: 22; “For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people. You are to obey everything that he tells you to do. Anyone who does not obey that prophet shall be separated from God's people and destroyed.’

It was the Lord who spoke his ‘WORDS’ through the mouth of his servant Jesus, who in John 2: 19; said; “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up.”

Jesus was the earthly temple of the Lord, who filled that earthly temple with his spirit.

So, who raised that Body-temple? Jesus himself, or the Lord God our saviour who filled Jesus with his spirit on the day he was baptised.

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord God our saviour) has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

It was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, [WHO I AM] who said through the mouth his obedient servant Jesus, who spoke in ‘HIS NAME;’ “Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.”

And it was the God of Abraham (The Son of Man) who said through the mouth of Jesus. “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him to me; and I will raise him to life on the last day.”

Acts 3: 13; “The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has given divine glory to his Servant Jesus, etc.

Those who worship Jesus, who we once new as a man, as their God, are really hung up on idolatry.

"This is not a pipe."

The image of things are NOT the thing itself.

Please, please, GET A NEW BIBLE.

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Jesus was the man through whom the Lord God our saviour spoke “HIS WORDS”.

Jesus spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by the Lord who had filled him with “HIS SPIRIT__HIS WORDS.”

It was the Lord, speaking through the mouth of his obedient servant ‘Jesus’, in John 6: who said that to have life we must feed on his body, many of the followers thought that was disgusting and abandoned Jesus. But the Lord was not telling them that they must eat the flesh of the man Jesus, but that they must feed on ‘HIS SPIRIT___HIS WORDS’. Then the Lord went on to say through his servant Jesus; John 6, verse 63; “It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no use at all, the WORDS that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

Who was the God of Abraham referring to, when he said to Moses; “I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed MY WORDS, which he shall speak in MY NAME, I will punish, etc.”

His “WORDS” were the spirit with which Jesus was filled on the Day he was baptised.

Catch ya later.

CORRECT! Jesus, the earthly 'IMAGE' of our Lord God and saviour, who was lifted up upon a pole in the same manner that Moses lifted up the bronze IMAGE of a snake, was not the Lord God our saviour, but the earthly temple that he filled with his "WORDS____SPIRIT" in order to reveal himself to mankind though his earthly 'IMAGE'.

Just as the bronze 'IMAGE' of the snake, was not the snake itself.

My, my, aren't you an intelligent little fellow, to realise that 'The image of things are NOT the thing itself.'

A theologian's answers shouldn't be trusted.
Why not listen to Jesus?

Why not stop supposing that there is a god from whom one has to have a "savior" to "save" you from its petty vengeance?