The God of GW Bush

I suspect a lot of them are just grieving relatives. But it's not like their dead families are real people. They're just Iraqis.

You are a little upside-down on this, pistoff. The god you describe is the Old Testament god, not the benign, well-meaning god of the New Testament, which is most likely the only book Bush ever read.

Psst....hope you caught the irony.

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I read the bible a long time ago so my memory isn't as astute on the details as I would like them to be.

I do recall that Jesus was a Socialist and said cool things like, "Love your enemey as you love yourself." That is a tall order aint it?

I will look up more things that Jesus supposedly said because I feel that many of them were revolutionary.

I also recall some parabells, such as The Good Samaritin and the Prodigal Son. The Rolling Stones made a cool song with that story on Beggar's Banquet.

Just so I don't have to read the New Testament again how about explaining this different god to me?

Erm, not being Christian, that would be a tall order for me, pistoff. There are plenty of folks here who could give you better insight than I.

Nice post foxfyre.

Thanks Cav. Admittedly Zondervan tends to be on the more conservative Christian side but is not strictly fundamentalist by any means.

The assumed battle in religion (all religion) wears on and on and on, with no common sense. When this nonsense gets involved with global politics and policy, I get extremely irked. Still, excellent insight in that article to explain Dubya's stance.

Thanks
Thanks Foxfire. Notice, that I provided a direct quote from GW Bush about his stand regarding the Almighty and freedom etc.

Of course I believe that he is simple minded nutjob; a dangerous man, indeed!

This is why religious doctrine beliefs should have no part in the decisions that leaders of countries make.

In my own private mind, I deal with the OT (and parts of the NT) in a way that allows me to take the good and ignore the bad. In my own private mind I concluded that more than likely we humans will not know everything about God and heaven, that probably some parts were truly inspired and some parts were probably added in a way to suit whoever was writing it or translating it. However, I have realized long ago that my approach is not something that I can debate about because it is not logical. Which is why when the religious board that i was on ended, I decided that I wasn't going to debate the Bible anymore as I was starting to feel a fake for not being completely honest about how I really feel about parts of the Bible. The whole thing became a big issue within me that caused me to feel upset and confused. I must admit that when I talk about the Bible with those I know I still do not admit that I question parts of the Bible. I will never get the courage to admit that to those offline, but maybe sometime online I will.

In any case, we live by grace and forgiveness in the NT and not by wars and death of the OT, so George Bush if he tries to justify his actions by the Bible should remember that.

Bush is quite the theologian. A few years back he became concerned with the issue of jews going to heaven. He consulted his mommy, who was certain they could, but suggested they call (of all people), Rev. Billy Graham, who said they could not.

Bush, concluded the anti-semite Graham was right.

I'm sure you have documentation for that Infowarrior? I would like to see a quote from anything Bush has ever said that would suggest he holds that view. I'm not even sure Billy Graham held that view.

But back to the thesis of the thread:

Every U.S. President in my lifetime has been a professed Christian and, at various times, have included statements re God, Christianity, the Bible, etc. in their speeches and commentary.

Consider the following which is just a tiny sampling of religion-based quotes from Bill Clinton's speeches of which nobody, including me, thought untoward in any way:

"I don't think I could do my job as President," Clinton said, "much less continue to try to grow as a person in the absence of my faith in God and my attempt to learn more about what it should be and grow. It provides a solace and support in the face of all these problems that I am not smart enough to solve."
(ABC Interview by Peggy Wehmeyer, "American Agenda", March 22, 1994.)

The children of this country can learn in a profound way that integrity is important and selfishness is wrong, but God can change us and make us strong at the broken places. I want to embody those lessons for the children of this country -- for that little boy in Florida who came up to me and said that he wanted to grow up and be President and to be just like me. I want the parents of all the children in America to be able to say that to their children. -- Bill Clinton at National Prayer Breakfast 9/11/98

During the speech, President Clinton drew on the Gospel of Matthew and Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians.42 In the concluding portion of his speech, the President defined the close relationship he saw between religion and politics:
So I say to you, we believe that our politics should be guided by what our Lord said was the first and most important commandment and the second is like unto it. First we must try to love the Lord, our God, with all our heart. And the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.43
http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?63+Law+&+Contemp.+Probs.+391+(Winter&Spring+2000)

To pluck a line re God or faith out of a speech and declare that this is proof positive that George Bush is somehow improperly using religion to establish policy flies in the face of the evidence.

Bush doesn't just claim faith in god. He claims outright that god speaks to him directly.

Proof
The quote that I provided is ample proof the W justifies his political actions upon his version of what his god is. Ignoring it doesn't change it.

Saint George

Ah, yes, the disingenuity between the old and new testament is one of my favorite sources of amusement.

Nice
Kudos for the research.

Did J. Kennedy fuse his belief with the spreading of democracy by pre-emptive invasion of sovereign countries?