@Olivier5,
Quote:We were unable to disagree about what a "person" entails....
unable to disagree? how sad for you, haha. but anyway, your long argument with frank seems to just constantly be about reality vs illusion, blah blah. how can you not see that both are simple human concepts, neither can be categorically the ultimate truth. the ultimate truth, if you need to define it, has to be that both reality and illusion are non-dual or at least an inseparable duality.
see, how does the concept of illusion arise? anything which differs from normal waking 'reality'. so dreams, hallucinations, altered states, whatever. but in order to define any of these altered or illusory states, one must be coming from the assumption that normal waking consciousness is 'reality', and compared to this, other things are illusory.
but if you look at waking consciousness, its reality is limited by time, and we cannot remember before birth or foresee after death. so the entire reality we assume is an impermanent, limited existence which is unsure of its OWN reality, because how can you define something as real unless you know what happens to it in infinite time.
you can only define an illusion once a deeper reality is revealed. therefore, no reality can ever be completely confirmed, because the possibility of a deeper reality is ALWAYS there, no matter what, and this can be confirmed by your own experience. in certain dreams, you are 100% unaware it is a dream, and fully experience a different reality, until something deeper kicks in (waking up). therefore, by the same logic, it is always possible that something deeper than this life will disprove it as illusory on some level.
now, i am not assuming there is something deeper, or speculating what it is. i am simply saying the definite possibility of it reveals the nature of reality vs illusion to be non dual, ie, eternally inseparable.
