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Things Republicans Believe

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 03:11 pm
Quote:
He does favor putting this matter into the hands of the states.

wow thats news to us in states that have legalized the use and then have the dept of justice come into our states (california/colorado) and attempt to over-ride state laws (currently a fed narc with the dept of justice is helt in contempt of court for a case here in colorado for violating state law in this matter.
perhaps you can explain.
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infowarrior
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 03:14 pm
Suzy-

<bowing> I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy. Laughing

Excellent list!
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suzy
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 03:14 pm
Exactly right, Dys. thanks for bringing that up!
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Centroles
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 03:14 pm
No foxfyre, as the many posts there have pointed out. Bush has told states to not repeal the ban and opposed attempts by congress democrats to amend the federal law banning marijuana for all including medical uses and let the states decide for themselves.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 03:18 pm
I saw a bumper sticker on a car (a nice one, of course) on my way back from lunch:

To hell with our enemies--
God bless America!

Which, I suspect, may sum up one school of thought in conservative circles right now...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 03:19 pm
I disagree Centroles. I don't believe he has ever taken the position that the states should not decide this for themselves. He does oppose a federal law that would make it universally legal.

If you can find any documentation or empirical evidence that he has refused this to the states to decide, I like my humble pie with ketchup.
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Centroles
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 03:21 pm
there is already a federal ban on it foxfyre that overrides state laws.

this is why some one in california can be arrested for it by the feds even though the state legalized it.

bush stopped attempts to repeal this ban and let states pass their own laws as to whether or not it's legal.

secondly, shouldn't doctors be the ones deciding whether or not to prescribe medicinal marijuana to a certain patient.

shouldn't the terminally ill patient suffering from cancer and excrutiating pain be the ones to make the decision?

what medical qualifications do politicians have to make this decision either at the federal or the state level?
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Centroles
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 03:25 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
Marijuana is illegal under federal law. What the states choose to do is irrelevant unless that law is changed.

If California wants medicinal marijuana to be legal it makes no difference, the FBI can still arrest them.

And they have.

So I don't see how Bush can support the right of the states to decide on this without also supporting a change in the federal law.

Many politicians use the sovereignty of state as a scapegoat in a pinch. You see Democrats using this now to deal with the polemy that is gay marriage. They are opposing a constitutional amendment and saying that they want the states to decide.

In reality they are mostly against the ban but because of the prevalence of homophobia and negetive reactions to gay marriage they are using the sovereignty of state as a fall back. This way they don't have to advocate allowing the marriages and use local determination as the reason to block the constitutional amendment.

Bush's policy is little different. What he says is irrelevant, as the status quo is that states can't decide for themselves.

If Bush wants states to be able to decide, he needs to push for a change in federal law. As it stands the states decision will not protect the individual and in California individuals who had the saction of state and local law enforcement were raided by the federal government.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 03:27 pm
A clash between federal supremacy and states' rights is heating up in Colorado. Attorneys for federal agents who refuse to follow a state court order to return confiscated marijuana to a medical patient have asked a judge to dismiss a motion seeking to hold the agents in contempt.
Don Nord was entitled under Colorado law to possess the marijuana as medicine. When no charges were filed after the marijuana and other items were seized during the execution of a search warrant, Routt County Judge James Garrecht ordered everything returned to Nord, including two ounces of marijuana. Federal officers returned everything but the two ounces of pot, citing the status of marijuana as contraband under federal law.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 03:46 pm
There is a law on the books making the sale and possession of marijuana illegal--not sure if the law includes 'use' but it probably does.

Congress can pass a law passing the decision whether to legalize medical marijuana to the states. So far it hasn't done that. Everything I've heard and seen written re GWB is that he favors the states having this ability to decide.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 04:03 pm
so I am guessing that the longheld conservative tradition of states/individual rights vs federal intrusion is now out the window and the "new" republican values feds over states, quite a flip-flop into democrat traditions I would say. It's no wonder people are confused when Bush says he is a republican and Clinton was a liberal. Must just be the flag pin in the label that is the distinguishing factor. (oops I forgot, everyone wears one of those now)
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suzy
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 04:10 pm
yeah, they're always flopping over to our side and pretending it's always been theirs, I've noticed!
it's the only way they can ever get credit for most of the great Liberal advances in this country!
Easier to do than to ever admit wrong-headedness, apparently.
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suzy
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 04:14 pm
Info, glad you like it! Smile
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doglover
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 04:35 pm
suzy wrote:
Hi Doglover,
Well, I AM surprised!
What caused you to repent? Laughing


September 11, 2001.
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coluber2001
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 05:06 pm
THINGS REPUBLICANS BELIEVE.

Lying about illicit sex is much worse than lying about an agressive war.
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doglover
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 05:40 pm
Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism. Rolling Eyes
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suzy
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 06:00 pm
Good one! Also building schools for Iraqis; I haven't heard any talk of making them use vouchers, though!
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L R R Hood
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 06:13 pm
I'm a libertarian, but still just mostly conservative... I disagree with all of that. I think that the 2 main parties need a complete overhaul.
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El-Diablo
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 06:16 pm
L.R.R. I don't think anyone here agrees with it. However its jsut stupid generalizations (however i can imagine the uprising if a conservatgive made a thread like this towards liberals :wink: )
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Centroles
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 08:28 pm
Congress has attempted to pass the medicinal marijuana exception. Bush asked his fellow republicans to not back it.

The president holds a great deal of influence in what policies get passed and what don't.

Whether it's No Child Left Behind, the Iraq War Resolution, the Drug Plan or about a million others, the president has more say in what gets passed than a dozen senators.
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