FrankApisa said: Your god...the god Jesus worshiped...said that slavery was just fine
Quote:FrankApisa said: Your god...the god Jesus worshiped...said that slavery was just fine
Well how do you explain these verses mate?-
"He that steals a man and sells him, or if he be found in his hands, he shall surely be put to death " (Exod. 21:16; Deut. 24:7).
"Law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God" (1 Tim 1:9)
Well, you know, Frank. Jesus removed the application of the Mosaic Law when he celebrated the last Passover in 33 CE. I don't know if this fully explains things to your sensibility, but it places a different expectation on Christianity
Frankie baby, God HAD to slap troublemaking heathen tribes around to make them toe the line. If he wanted to be really nasty he'd have wiped them out, but he simply enslaved them instead, that's how merciful he is..
He had no beef at all with peaceful tribes, they were his blue-eyed boys and gals and he nurtured and protected them..
“I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters" ( 2 Cor 6:14-18)
A willing slave is, by definition, not a slave.
I don't know why I got caught up in this. I don't even accept that there really was a Jesus.
I'm curious, did you really think that your post would be understood and not attract a barrage of "OH MY GOD! JESUS WOULD NEVER APPROVE OF SLAVERY!" comments or were you fishing for them?
My own view on the subject -- and, yes, I know: nobody asked me -- is that the historical Jesus (as opposed to the cardboard figure people tend to conjure up) did not approve of slavery, regardless of what he said about upholding Jewish law. The Essenes were opposed to slavery (vid. Flavius Josephus, Pliny the Elder and the Dead Sea Scrolls) and there is plenty of circumstantial evidence that Jesus was more sympathetic to the Essene creed than to other forms of Judaism. He claims to be here to uphold 'the law and the prophets' and then rails against both the Sadducees and the Pharisees who, after all, were each in their own way the representatives of thatlaw. He doesn't have one word to say against (or about) the Essenes who constituted a significant portion of worshipful Judaism of his own day. I think he agreed with the majority of Essene teachings, including the proscription against slavery.
So, then, why is he quoted nowhere as speaking out against it? Simply because, for him, it was not a particularly important issue. A person can be opposed to any number of things on general principle without making noise about it. He is quoted any number of times as saying that his main concern is with the Kingdom of Heaven. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's" is a rather typical phrase. Slavery, either pro or con, does not seem to have been a particularly important issue to most reformers of the period.
Finn dAbuzz wrote:This is my fulfillment of a promise to Frank. The only thing is I did not want to add this to his already lengthy thread. My main intention was to draw attention to Jesus words about the faithful slave. So far, only farmer has caught hold of my design, and maybe smiley. Romeo is beating around the bush, but close. Quite all I expected so far.I'm curious, did you really think that your post would be understood and not attract a barrage of "OH MY GOD! JESUS WOULD NEVER APPROVE OF SLAVERY!" comments or were you fishing for them?