@Brandon9000,
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:
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To me, the minimum criterion for a God is that he be responsible for the creation of the universe,
To me Bran the Universe didn't require creation because it has always existed in one form or another. Why not
Quote:The real truth is that the only way to know the answer to this question is with physics….your opinion on this is worthless…..
I quite agree. So what exactly
does "physics" say; and if it doesn't say then why am I not entitled to my version
dalehileman wrote:
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able to change it in pretty much any way he wants,
To the contrary She is pretty much limited to doing only what's possible, which seems pretty obvious inasmuch as the impossible can't be done
Quote:And your supporting evidence for this is what?
If one supposes She meant well, then earthquakes, war, disease, and all sorts of suffering apparently are the unavoidable byproducts of "creation". In other words, She found She couldn't have the humanoid without a rock ball full of cracks spewing lava, orbiting at 17,00 mph a huge hydrogen bomb destined eventually to burn out
But if you're asking what evidence that the impossible can't be done, then the answer is, to my knowledge at least, nothing impossible has ever been observed
If She could do the impossible for instance, She could make Herself both exist and not exist
dalehileman wrote:
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and be capable, if not desirous, of speaking to me in my language.
Yes I'd agree that She speaks voluminously to all of us every day, eg one's own ruminations
Quote:I mean actually talk in an audible voice.
The apodictical existential pantheist maintains that in addition to your rumination all speech everywhere is Her audible voice
dalehileman wrote:
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I don't believe that such a being exists.
I think eventually it will be shown or at least strongly suggested that her existence or non- is merely a semantic issue
Quote:As I have described this being, it is not a semantic issue.
That's true. Such a conclusion requires an ever-so-slightly different view of Her works
Quote:How is it a semantic issue whether a being exists who created the universe, can do pretty much anything, and could, if he chose, speak to me out loud?
Yes, no, Bran, it's not. My apologies for introducing a side issue. However, I don't see why it isn't possible for Her, It, to suddenly have come into existence by necessity. In other words, it might eventually be suggested that the idea of nothingness entails contradiction and paradox making it impossible
There'd be nothing previous to Her because nothingness implies the absence also of time
So She's here 'cause She hastabe
Quote:If there has ever been anything that isn't merely a semantic issue, that is it.
According to the general principle that nothing is entirely anything while everything is partly something else, your Universe can be made to look like mine through only the most subtle and delicate semantic twist
Thus whether or not She created It when She popped into existence depends upon your precise def of "creation"; while as I said, She does indeed "speak out loud" everywhere and at all times. However we do differ, as I said, on whether She can do "anything"
We can reasonably suppose She can and will, and perhaps has, done anything or everything possible. So yes, you're right on this point, here's where your Him differs from my Her
In other words, you maintain that the impossible is possible while I maintain that's contradictory
It's logic I guess, it's all I have to work with