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John Ashcroft's Fear of Flying

 
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 02:12 pm
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0415/mondo1.php

WASHINGTON, D.C.?-Like most of the Bush cabinet, Attorney General John Ashcroft took commercial jets when he traveled. But on July 24, 2001, he changed that practice and began flying in chartered government jets. Asked by CBS News at the time about the change, the Justice Department cited a "threat assessment" by the FBI and said Ashcroft had been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term. "There was a threat assessment, and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. But as CBS went on to report, "Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected, or who made it."

A "senior official" at the CIA said he wasn't aware of specific threats against any cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself declared, "I don't do threat assessments myself, and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes." When asked if he knew details of the threat or who might have made it, Ashcroft said, "Frankly, I don't. That's the answer."

The Justice Department did say that it wasn't Ashcroft who wanted to fly in leased airplanes, but that it was the idea of his FBI security detail. The FBI had no comment. All other Bush cabinet members flew on commercial airliners, save for the secretaries of Energy and the Interior when they traveled to remote areas. Janet Reno, Clinton's attorney general, traveled by commercial jets.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 03:04 pm
It is past time for anything that Ashcroft says to be believed, or as a matter of fact anyone in this Administration.
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saintsfanbrian
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 03:30 pm
Oh and Clinton's administration was gospel wasn't it?

Like with any "news" story. You have to realize there are 3 stories. The left news agency story, the right news agency story and the truth is somewhere in the middle of the two.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 03:52 am
Quote:
Like with any "news" story. You have to realize there are 3 stories. The left news agency story, the right news agency story and the truth is somewhere in the middle of the two.


saintsfanbrian- True, to an extent. I think, that in this election year, there are many truths that have no relation to the spin and hype that we have encountered from the media, both the left AND the right! Rolling Eyes

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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 05:30 am
So, saintsfanbrian will now enlighten us as to what the truth is, as he sees it, regarding this story. Trying to stay in the middle, as he tells us why he thinks the attorney general changed his travel plans.

Someone at the FBI made the decision to make the change, we know that, but who and why?

Go ahead, saintsfanbrian.
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infowarrior
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 07:55 am
Apparently, the "truth" is the propaganda heard on Fox News and Limbaugh's radio program -- at least for those souls manning the wagons as they circle George Bush. Laughing
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Deecups36
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 09:30 am
I saw an article that said the mayor of San Francisco was warned not to fly Sept. 10 and Sept. 11, 2001 by the FBI. He had planned a trip to NYC and he cancelled it.

If I can find it, I'll post it for all to see.

There's no doubt in my mind that Bush knew. He had been warned and the FBI was warning big city mayors to remain grounded.

What a shame 3,000 people had to die so Bush could have his Reichstag?
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infowarrior
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 03:38 pm
"What a shame 3,000 people had to die so Bush could have his Reichstag?" deecups36

Greaaaaaaat screen name, Miss Dee!

Yes, Bush needed his Reichstag alright. Well said.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 04:05 pm
Was the article at Common dreams or Democratic Underground perhaps?
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 04:12 pm
Now wait a minute, I'm a left leaning commie pinko but I can't stomach that 9/11-Reichstag crap. Either support your contention or...or
I'll hold my breath til my face turns blue.
Gettouddaheah!
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 04:13 pm
Village Voice, McG. Says so right at the top.

Can you muster any retort to the subject matter (as opposed to the source)?

For example, why was it too dangerous for Asscrotch to fly commercial but safe for everyone else?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 04:16 pm
Sorry, I should have quoted Deecups36 so you would know what I was referring to.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 04:25 pm
This is from the San Francisco Chronicle's website:

Brown got low-key warning about 9/11 travel

The Chronic is the Bay Area's remaining daily newspaper, owned by the Hearst Corporation.

I worked for the Hearsts for a decade at three different papers.

That was during my Republican period. You can take my word for it they ain't liberal.

Now then; topic?
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Deecups36
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2004 07:06 pm
Hi McGentrix:

No, neither Common Dreams (although they cite mainstream sources) and the Democratic Underground is one I have never heard of, so no.

The article appeared on the online edition of the San Francisco Chronicle newspaper. Here's a link if you are interested.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL
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