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Can one proof that god DOESN'T exist?

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cavfancier
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2003 07:43 pm
Heh heh, Codeborg rocks...

JL, one answer, I would hope that with more evolutionary development we might just learn to accept the absurdity of both questions. Big Douglas Adams fan myself, lol. I would like to think of it this way: What is more important, searching for god, or just enjoying what we already have?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2003 07:57 pm
bbrrrrr. More like, don't forget your heater. Wink
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2003 08:16 pm
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Cavfancier, by far, it's better to enjoy our reality. People who sacrifice their lives for an otherworldly fantasy are wasting and despising their lives (things of "the world"). Remember, Pascal's Wager? That Catholic philosopher argued it is a smarter to bet on a promise of eternal heaven than the assuredness of this temporary (but rea) life. Such nonsense! Like Bush's tactics, the Church used such "weapons of mass distraction."
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2003 08:22 pm
Yeah, had Pascal grown up in today's schools, he would have most certainly gotten wedgied at every opportunity. For me, I don't get involved with the war, and the politics. It is too complicated...make brain hurty...however, to satt, if you look into history, we can blame the Arabs for zero....lol, that's a joke, btw Laughing
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2003 08:25 pm
JL, that reminds me...watched 'Black Robe' again tonight on TV...dunno if you have seen it but it involves a Jesuit priest who comes to Canada to convert the natives with a 'promise of heaven'...of course it all goes horribly wrong, as it really did in history, and the movie does point out that we are all savages in our own way, and faith has absolutely nothing to do with god. Good flick!
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 14 Apr, 2003 08:30 pm
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Thanks, CF. I'll watch for it.
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satt fs
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 12:49 am
Without the concept of a "human", how could you talk about the equality of humans before the natural law?
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satt fs
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 12:50 am
"Humans" exist. But only individuals exist?
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satt fs
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 12:52 am
If the concept of "humans" were produced by humans, then humans must be a mere illusion? And hence equality of "humans" is a mere illusion or propaganda?
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satt fs
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 12:55 am
Concepts are not mere playthings, but are vital for human life. You cannot run down concepts as human products. Otherwise you do not know the deep implication of ideals.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 07:28 am
Lola wrote:
As usual, very good point, Dys. JLNobody is also correct, sort of, but of course, it is anthropomorphic to say that the universe does anything. Or that God does anything for that matter.


I think that as anthropo-morphs ourselves, it is only natural, in fact it may be the only way we can look at things. It is through our own eyes and senses that the world is experienced. And just as the universe seems to cycle and fold in on itself, so also our experience and concept of God is enlightened, historified, and possibly beatified during our lifetimes. Even if you do not believe in any god or power, that will still become a central tenet of your life.

People believe what they believe. Who can really give another the "good news"? The best revenge is still living well.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 07:31 am
dyslexia wrote:
Cool Image! Have you gone to Burning Man?

Douglas Addams-Hitchhikers guide to the universe. a complete compendium of life, the universe and everything.


My son read this book when he was 14, should I be worried? Very Happy
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 07:54 am
That's right Piffka, I intend to make hay while the sun shines.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 08:04 am
satt, it is actually rather simple....we are all humans, but we are also all individuals. Just as every dog has a unique personality, they, like us, also posess a 'collective consciousness' that allows them to recognize each other, and get along in a loosely structured society. Just because we are smarter than the average dog doesn't necessarily make us all that different. BTW, your avatar...is that an alto or tenor clef? Wink
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satt fs
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 08:07 am
cavfancier..
You can see individuals, but you cannot see "humans" without the concept.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 08:34 am
Lola... did you know that a good field of alfalfa can provide several years worth of hay and several cuttings per year? Lots of hay, lots of sunshine. I think that is comforting! :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 10:06 am
Piffka, Your philosophy is the correct one; live life to the fullest and enjoy it. Why worry about what happens after you're dead? BTW, I'm having a ball. Wink c.i.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 10:30 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Piffka, Your philosophy is the correct one; live life to the fullest and enjoy it. Why worry about what happens after you're dead? BTW, I'm having a ball. Wink c.i.


Thanks - CI! I am not worried and I don't think Pascal was right. However I'm not exactly a hedonist... I think I'm a Taoist.

Quote:
from the Tao Te Ching:
The Tao is so vast that when you use it, something is always left.
How deep it is!

It is the child of I-don't-know-who.
And prior to the primeval Lord-on-high.

The Heavenly Tao has no favorites:
It raises up the Good.




In Taoist fashion... this is where I want to be having a ball -- singing and drinking and dancing in the moonlight!

Spanish Villas
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 11:34 am
wisdom
Ssatt, Piff, C.I. Lola, some wise thoughts, you guys. The only comment I have here is to agree with Satt that we do not see humans only individuals. "Human(s) refers to an abstract CLASS of (conceivable)entities; "individual" refers to concrete (perceivable) entities.
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satt fs
 
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Reply Tue 15 Apr, 2003 05:22 pm
I would say, further, that even though one thinks "human" is a product of human conceptualization, the thought should not lead to an assertion that would claim the non-existence of humans.
A human can tell individual humans from cats at a glance, in the usual occasions.
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