God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth

So you're saying you never read the book of Revelation

No mate, YOU'RE saying that, so you're coming pretty close to doing false witness..

Neologist said: @RF- Did I not see you write that Revalation means "the end of the world"? That means you missed the parts about the survivors. (Revelation 7:9, 21:3)
BTW, you realize John wrote Revelation before his gospel and his epistles, right? Why would God destroy those harming the earth if he himself planned to destroy it? You need to grow in your understanding, sir

Calamity said: You are not only saying that your god condones a world full of mass murder, wars, famines, disease, sexual abuse and rape, but he set the world up to be this way.
I ask again, how do you reconcile this theory with a loving god?

Calamity said: by your logic JWs are merely giving their children a free pass into heaven. Shouldn't you be applauding them?
If I put a kid in a tank of piranhas and that kid gets torn to shreds, it isn't my fault is it?...Regardless of what people do, your version of your god made it so

You can let your kids die without a transfusion or throw them to piranhas if you like, but I don't think he'd be very pleased

So when a baby dies do they go to heaven or hell?

Original sin and extraterrestrials.

That unfallen beings may exist on other planets was explored by C. S. Lewis in his 1938 science fiction novel Out of the Silent Planet and especially in its 1943 sequel Perelandra.

In a 2008 interview entitled "Aliens Are My Brother", granted to L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, Father José Gabriel Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory, stated: "In my opinion this possibility (of life on other planets) exists"; "intelligent beings, created by God may exist in outer space" and "some aliens could even be free from original sin" concluding "there could be (other beings) who remained in full friendship with their creator".

On 5 March 2009, Jesuit Brother Guy Consolmagno, another astronomer working at the Vatican Observatory, told the BBC, in relation to the search for Earth-like worlds about to be embarked upon by the Kepler Space telescope, that "we Jesuits are actively involved in the search for Earth-like planets. The idea that there could be other intelligent creatures made by God in a relationship with God is not contrary to traditional Judeo-Christian thought. The Bible has many references to, or descriptions of, non-human intelligent beings; after all, that's what angels are. Our cousins on other planets may even have their own salvation story – including other examples of the incarnation of the second person of the Trinity. We are open to whatever the Universe has for us."

With regard to the attribution to "the Vatican" of similar statements by individuals working for the Holy See, official spokesman Father Federico Lombardi, also a Jesuit, published on 21 February 2009 a declaration that they must not be mistaken for statements of the Holy See— they are only statements of this individual Jesuit priest.

Chumly said: When a baby dies it goes to hell because of original sin, as there can be no redemption from original sin without free will and a baby has no free will.

Calamity said: It is arguments like yours that made me leave the church, or more accurately asked to leave for asking questions and not accepting stupid answers (I may have a temper problem). You cannot teach that this earth is a testing ground AND that your god is a loving god

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Chumly said: When a baby dies it goes to hell because of original sin, as there can be no redemption from original sin without free will and a baby has no free will.

But what sin has a baby committed to make God want to send it to hell?

Smileyrius said: @RF- Would you say that the earth we live in is a level playing field? If the test is 1000% harder for one than the other, Id say Gods justice would be in question.
What I appreciate is that you acknowledge that God has standards. It puts you in a better category of christian. Tell me my friend, what do you think God will be measuring us against?

Chumly said: When a baby dies it goes to hell because of original sin.
Romeo replied: But what sin has a baby committed to make God want to send it to hell?
Chumly came back with: Ah yes, the classic fallacy of presupposition / loaded question. I did not say the baby in question committed a sin, however your question presupposes such a condition.

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Chumly said: When a baby dies it goes to hell because of original sin.
Romeo replied: But what sin has a baby committed to make God want to send it to hell?
Chumly came back with: Ah yes, the classic fallacy of presupposition / loaded question. I did not say the baby in question committed a sin, however your question presupposes such a condition.

I ask you again mate- what makes you think that God sends babies to hell?

What I appreciate is that you acknowledge that God has standards. It puts you in a better category of christian

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.