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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
OldGrumpy
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 01:53 am
@fresco,
Hmm, you are wrong. For me it is not about the reactions at all. I could'nt care less. But you probably like it more if you could think i am trolling, then ponder the thought that i might be right, because if i am the consequences will be huge, hence you don't want to look into it all.yep, "science" is more wrong then you think."science" is a controltool and nothing mote.
fresco
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 02:54 am
@OldGrumpy,
Only a fool or a troll would have no clue what 'right' means in science, It means A SUCCESSFUL PARADIGM OPEN TO REVISION Concepts of 'reality' ,'truth' and 'picturing'are philosophical side issues leading to futile debate,
OldGrumpy
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 03:44 am
@fresco,
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Only a fool or a troll would have no clue what 'right' means in science, It means A SUCCESSFUL PARADIGM OPEN TO REVISION Concepts of 'reality' ,'truth' and 'picturing'are philosophical side issues leading to futile debate,


"A SUCCESSFUL PARADIGM OPEN TO REVISION"


Really? I mean Really???????????????? Hmmmmm you shuld study the history of ahum 'science'! Resistance to knew ideas is HIGH. in 'science'

open to revision, yeah sure.

fresco
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 05:30 am
@OldGrumpy,
Yes really. And unlike you I HAVE studied, andd written academic papers on the history and philosophy of science, which allows me to inform you that use of the word ' bollocks' is clearly indicative of an ignoramus and social misfit.

brianjakub
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 01:54 pm
@Leadfoot,
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About to lose your head yet again I see


Sticks and stones.

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I wonder if he is aware of how hard Eckert and Mauchly worked to eliminate quantum effects in early computers.


Computer science is a key factor to understanding Intelligent Design. The universe is designed to store and manage information in every quark, electron and boson in existence.

Where could I find out what they had to overcome?

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QM is now the limiting factor to staying on the path of Moore's Law, like quantum tunneling and all those other things that make the computer the virtual opposite of QM.


What do you mean when you say the computer is the virtual opposite of QM?


brianjakub
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 02:38 pm
@OldGrumpy,
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Time running faster/slower etc what a joke on the mind it all is. And 'curved' space?? lol, talking about contradictions!. No one and nothing can 'curve' space, nor spacetime.


Your atoms are clocks. There frequencies keep time. It is a fact that if you are on earth where the Earth's gravitational field is strong your atoms would vibrate at a slower frequency than they would if you were orbiting in space.

Look at it like this. If space has a three dimensional spacial structure like the frame of a skyscraper that is made up of cubic rooms. If you replace one of the rooms in the center of the sky scraper with a room made up of matter, that room will take up more space and and expand out into the three dimensional cubic frame of space. This causes the frames of space around the the now larger room of matter in the middle to warp around it to accept the larger volume.

What special relativity states though, (and it is correct because of Planck's Law) is that there is always the same amount of energy in the rooms of the skyscraper no matter how much volume the room encloses. (Larger rooms have less energy density than smaller ones or matter has less energy density than empty space.)

But we know matter stores energy so you might ask how can this be true if matter stores more energy than space? It is true because to an observer looking from the outside of the sky scraper in, can't tell how much energy is in the room until you destroy the skyscraper and the room. When we do this, we find out that inside the matter rooms there was a whole bunch of smaller rooms storing very dense energy. We call these atoms. Destroying the rooms releases this extra stored up energy from the embedded much smaller rooms (atoms) as nuclear energy.

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No one and nothing can 'curve' space, nor spacetime. it's all idiocy.


You can if you believe space time is made up particles that are arranged in a grid (as the math of relativity and qm suggests and has been proven right experimentally).
OldGrumpy
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 11:33 pm
@fresco,
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Yes really. And unlike you I HAVE studied, andd written academic papers on the history and philosophy of science, which allows me to inform you that use of the word ' bollocks' is clearly indicative of an ignoramus and social misfit.


You are assuming here that I haven't studied, Alas, I have, furtermore ths is one long ad hominem, and you at your studied? Hmm, well done.
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OldGrumpy
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 11:37 pm
@brianjakub,
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Your atoms are clocks. There frequencies keep time. It is a fact that if you are on earth where the Earth's gravitational field is strong your atoms would vibrate at a slower frequency than they would if you were orbiting in space.

Look at it like this. If space has a three dimensional spacial structure like the frame of a skyscraper that is made up of cubic rooms. If you replace one of the rooms in the center of the sky scraper with a room made up of matter, that room will take up more space and and expand out into the three dimensional cubic frame of space. This causes the frames of space around the the now larger room of matter in the middle to warp around it to accept the larger volume.

What special relativity states though, (and it is correct because of Planck's Law) is that there is always the same amount of energy in the rooms of the skyscraper no matter how much volume the room encloses. (Larger rooms have less energy density than smaller ones or matter has less energy density than empty space.)

But we know matter stores energy so you might ask how can this be true if matter stores more energy than space? It is true because to an observer looking from the outside of the sky scraper in, can't tell how much energy is in the room until you destroy the skyscraper and the room. When we do this, we find out that inside the matter rooms there was a whole bunch of smaller rooms storing very dense energy. We call these atoms. Destroying the rooms releases this extra stored up energy from the embedded much smaller rooms (atoms) as nuclear energy.



bla bla bla, you are ONLY repeating text book text!

'science' or physics for that matter, doesn't even understand what TIME is, yet they work with it.
and NO, space can't be curved at all. oh and the so called effects , because of spece curving can be easily explained by optical effects. Really nothing special about the effects.
fresco
 
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Sun 5 May, 2019 12:42 am
The troll claims to have 'studied' ! Laughing
Clearly the subjects of ontology and epistemology were not included in his limited educational experience judging by his infantile use of the words 'is' and 'explanation'.
OldGrumpy
 
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Sun 5 May, 2019 01:06 am
@fresco,
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The troll claims to have 'studied' ! Laughing
Clearly the subjects of ontology and epistemology were not included in his limited educational experience judging by his infantile use of the words 'is' and 'explanation'.


The Troll? Why? Because I mention things and explain things differently then you? wow, you must be all for freedom of thought, right?!
fresco
 
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Sun 5 May, 2019 02:10 am
@OldGrumpy,
Essential reading for scientific trolls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Structure_of_Scientific_Revolutions
...including following all links.
OldGrumpy
 
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Sun 5 May, 2019 06:33 am
@fresco,
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Essential reading for scientific trolls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Structure_of_Scientific_Revolutions
...including following all links.


I am aware of all that, like Kuhn Feyerabend and what have you.
Now , in your own words, what do you want to say, apart from Ad Hominems, that is?
fresco
 
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Sun 5 May, 2019 07:33 am
@OldGrumpy,
If you are 'aware' of the literature, you have clearly not understood it. Paradigm change does not originate from half baked moaning from educational dropouts, but from hands-on researchers in a field who might offer an insight on a more elegant or more comprehensive alternative to the status quo.
BTW I don't think you qualify for an ad hominem....maybe an ad trollinem.

OldGrumpy
 
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Sun 5 May, 2019 08:02 am
@fresco,
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If you are 'aware' of the literature, you have clearly not understood it. Paradigm change does not originate from half baked moaning from educational dropouts, but from hands-on researchers in a field who might offer an insight on a more elegant or more comprehensive alternative to the status quo.
BTW I don't think you qualify for an ad hominem....maybe an ad trollinem.



Hmm, you can't say I don't have understood it, nor if I have understood it,
The postings here are too short for that,
But, as far as I can see, you conclude al this from the fact that I think totally different then you about thinks, and that really seems to be a problem for you.
May I ask why that is? Or do you rather attack me so you don't have to look and all the nonsense you have learned? I know that that can be painfull,
Furthermore, it is a process. I don't expect you to understand what I wrote in a few sentences. Do with it what you want, if you want to reject it, that is your choice. Only the Ad Hominems yoo put out are very weak of couse, they always are if you are out of arguments.
brianjakub
 
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Sun 5 May, 2019 08:12 am
@OldGrumpy,
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'science' or physics for that matter, doesn't even understand what TIME is, yet they work with it.
and NO, space can't be curved at all. oh and the so called effects , because of spece curving can be easily explained by optical effects. Really nothing special about the effects.


Please explain your understanding of time and these optical effects. An analogy like I used could be helpful.
OldGrumpy
 
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Sun 5 May, 2019 08:53 am
@brianjakub,
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Please explain your understanding of time and these optical effects. An analogy like I used could be helpful.


understanding of time???? 'science' doesn't even have a clue!

optical effects? simple. "space' is filled wit all sort of things, gas, whatever,
a straight linec of light is broken by this, just like in a glass of water, it is all optics, nothing has to be 'curved'.

https://lifeovercs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/magic-pencil-c-700x700.jpg

Really nothing special, eh?!
fresco
 
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Sun 5 May, 2019 09:32 am
@OldGrumpy,
Of course I am capable of grading your 'understanding' , having been paid professionally to do so for genuine students. You are surely not claiming to be a 'hands on researcher, are you' ? Smile
Anyway ...enough of this troll feeding banter. Your latest crass answer to Brian indicates you are here merely for the social. He, at least has 'a mission' to attempt to justify, whereas you have none.
OldGrumpy
 
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Sun 5 May, 2019 10:51 am
@fresco,
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Of course I am capable of grading your 'understanding' , having been paid professionally to do so for genuine students.


No, you are definitely not, and i will tell you why. If you really think you can 'grade' my 'understanding' from a few postings, you are living in la la land.
Then , if you are sincere about this, your arrogance knows no limits.
And paid? so what and who cares? On the other hand....

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"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it![/u]


But is IS funny to see you squirming. Wink

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You are surely not claiming to be a 'hands on researcher, are you' ?

duh?
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brianjakub
 
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Sun 5 May, 2019 12:05 pm
@OldGrumpy,
Your picture represents how when light travels through three different mediums (the glass, the fluid in the glass, and the air). The mediums are made up of particles and those particles are different sizes and have different densities depending on the medium.

This change in density of the mediums is exactly what is happening to the space time continuum as it comes into contact with the medium of matter.

The particles are also vibrating at different frequencies making the speed of light different in each medium. This speed of light is how our mind understands and perceives time. If you wear a clock and could exist in the air, the glass or the fluid in the glass each clock would keep time a little differently because each medium would cause your clock to operate (because your clocks atoms would vibrate a a frequency similar to the particles that make up the medium it is in.

So your picture is proving relativity is correct because, both relativity and your illustration, depend on the frequency of the vibrations of the mediums (the internal clocks) being different.
OldGrumpy
 
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Sun 5 May, 2019 12:39 pm
@brianjakub,
Quote:
Your picture represents how when light travels through three different mediums (the glass, the fluid in the glass, and the air). The mediums are made up of particles and those particles are different sizes and have different densities depending on the medium.

This change in density of the mediums is exactly what is happening to the space time continuum as it comes into contact with the medium of matter.

The particles are also vibrating at different frequencies making the speed of light different in each medium. This speed of light is how our mind understands and perceives time. If you wear a clock and could exist in the air, the glass or the fluid in the glass each clock would keep time a little differently because each medium would cause your clock to operate (because your clocks atoms would vibrate a a frequency similar to the particles that make up the medium it is in.

So your picture is proving relativity is correct because, both relativity and your illustration, depend on the frequency of the vibrations of the mediums (the internal clocks) being different.


wow!!!!! one big joke here! it is NOT proving relativity correct!!!!

and..

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This speed of light is how our mind understands and perceives time.


what nonsense again! The speed of light is how our mind perceives time???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

what a joker you are!!

Of course it doesn't.


You really sound very confused, but it is very simple. Relativity is wrong on ALL fronts. (deliberatlly so), and there is NO curving of space or space time, nor does time slow down or accelerate. Just think about it, sheer impossible.
 

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