Why do people deny evolution?

@farmerman,

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(your ignorance of extinction of the vast number of species testifies to that)

I am well aware that 99+ % of all species are extinct and have said so myself.

This is why I think you must be just throwing out Memes without regard to what I've said. There is no basis for this (and countless other) assertions you've made. In fact they are demonstrably false. You and I have discussed that and the plausible reasons for it on more than one occasion. I could go back and retrieve those posts if I took you seriously enough. But I no longer do.

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@farmerman,

Quote:’nobody is forbidding you to believe that way. Just do not try teaching that as science’

Ditto.

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@InfraBlue,

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Jeez, it isn't that difficult. You make the assertion that "A new animal body plan calls for hundreds of new proteins. If you can't come up with an explanation for where that information came from, you don't have a viable theory. ID merely says that information only comes from one source - an intelligent actor".

Where is this evidence for your intelligent actor? Where is your theory of ID? And again, how probable, statistically speaking, is this theory of yours?

Let me see if you are qualified to have a discussion on this topic.

You called my statement about new body plans calling for hundreds of new proteins 'an assertion'. Are you saying that is not true and do you know what a protein is, what they do, how they are made and so forth?
If we can assure ourselves of a mutual understanding of these things, then maybe we can go on to actually discussing things like statistical probabilities of them if you are interested.

But I should point out again that this 'theory of mine' is not a theory of 'who did it', it just says that it wasn't 'nobody'.

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@Leadfoot,

Then I submit you have no appreciation for the large number of contemporaneous species or varieties that have existed together and maybe a few daughters or just one passes through by adaptation .

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I am well aware that 99+ % of all species are extinct and have said so myself

Therefore I further submit that you PURPOSELY seem to ignore that, during an epoch, more related species go extinct than evolve (I know this realization is a bugaboo for ID "thinking" but its a fact borne out by the fossil record alone.
(AS david Raup posited when he added the additional math sequence to Hardy -Weinberg expansion whixh, were extinction included it would xpand wholly differently.)

You dont respond to H&G, sould it be that you and he actually agree"" I rest my case.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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Just do not try teaching that as science’

Ditto.

Please explain how such woo woo a youre speaking would be welcome to be taught in anything but a Fundamentalist parochial school or some homeschooling class where facts and evidence are denied in favor of Biblical "revelation"

Youll have no kids taught that way getting into any elite schools seeking a medical or science degree.

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@Leadfoot,

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In fact they are demonstrably false.

Point out where that's happened and Ill be happy to show you whre your thinking fell off the logic truck.

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@farmerman,

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You dont respond to H&G, sould it be that you and he actually agree"" I rest my case.

Then your case rests on Another false assertion.

If it really mattered to you, you would have noticed when I addressed H&G on both matters of science (mainly his use of QM) and his theological dogma(that I will forgive since you don't give a **** about theology anyway).

And no, I will not do your work and dig it up for you.
If it mattered to you, you would have already seen it.

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@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

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Jeez, it isn't that difficult. You make the assertion that "A new animal body plan calls for hundreds of new proteins. If you can't come up with an explanation for where that information came from, you don't have a viable theory. ID merely says that information only comes from one source - an intelligent actor".

Where is this evidence for your intelligent actor? Where is your theory of ID? And again, how probable, statistically speaking, is this theory of yours?

Let me see if you are qualified to have a discussion on this topic.

You called my statement about new body plans calling for hundreds of new proteins 'an assertion'. Are you saying that is not true and do you know what a protein is, what they do, how they are made and so forth?
If we can assure ourselves of a mutual understanding of these things, then maybe we can go on to actually discussing things like statistical probabilities of them if you are interested.

But I should point out again that this 'theory of mine' is not a theory of 'who did it', it just says that it wasn't 'nobody'.

Seeing as how your reading comprehension, a most basic of qualifications, is lacking, I doubt that we can have a discussion on this topic. Let's try this again. The assertion of yours to which I'm referring is the statement, "If you can't come up with an explanation for where that information came from, you don't have a viable theory. ID merely says that information only comes from one source - an intelligent actor." Do you understand? The question, then, isn't who did it, it was your IDer, after all. The questions are:

1. Where is this evidence for your intelligent actor?
2.Where is your theory of ID?
3.How probable, statistically speaking, is this theory of yours?

Are you following along?

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@farmerman,

Quote’Youll have no kids taught that way getting into any elite schools’

I agree. (minus the elite part lol) In a culture where the main religion/worldview is evolutionism.

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@InfraBlue,

I think we've established that Leadfoot's enormous gob is in inverse proportion to his understanding.

Anyone who thinks spouting a load of nonsense that he's incapable of backing up is some sort of victory, isn't worth the time of day.

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@farmerman,

They will for sure also be taught much immorality too at these ‘elite’ schools.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

At least the kids wont be pow wow doctors and will understand biology. How many non accredited colleges can offer degrees in biology or geology related arenas??

ANSWER= NONE.

EVen Brigham Young U is accredited. I know you hate Mormons but they dont publish "alternative science"

Unfortunately you can believe in BS about prehistoric animals ll being vegitarians, or the "Worldwide Flood" , or even a 6000 yer old earth.
You just cant do anything with that information. You cant even find oil ,unless you slip on it.

We do need lotsa people in service industries though. So carry on On I suppose.

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@farmerman,

I look forward to my kids understanding biology, just not evolution doctrines like life can be created from non-life, or that ‘the present is the key to the past.’
(Relating to flesh eating and dating techniques for example)

Also look forward to finding more oil, just too bad ppl are too busy looking for life evolving from non-life in other planets 🤷‍♂️ How’s that going by the way?Another example of the ‘predictive power’ of evolutionism. 👎

Twisted world.
Still gotta conclude:
When God goes, anything goes. Illogical thoughts and immorality reign supreme.

Carry on I suppose.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

well, there were several "Creationist' geoscientists" who were in the oil patches. Not one was successful. Many lost lots of money for investors because forams didnt get there due to a worldwide flood, and indicator species arent all over the place.

Evolution evidence is a "tool" not a belief system. You are really a bit slow in the uptake arent you?

I hope your kids understnd what it means for colleges being accredited in offering degrees in a particular skill. I dont predict lots of success if they too believe in Floods and Men and dinosaurs living together.

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farmerman
Here is something I found interesting. Thought the readers here might like it.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-14/the-lizards-breaking-the-golden-rule-of-evolution-anu/10802342
South American lizards are breaking an evolutionary 'golden rule'

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

farmerman
Here is something I found interesting. Thought the readers here might like it.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-14/the-lizards-breaking-the-golden-rule-of-evolution-anu/10802342
South American lizards are breaking an evolutionary 'golden rule'

Ha, I think you're a bit of a troublemaker Edgar, but let's go with it Smile

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Ah ha! This means that the whole theory of Evolution must be FALSE, and therefor, God must have done it, and ipso facto, God must exist!

Either that, or it's just more data to be analyzed and merged into the existing theory if confirmed. But that's not very entertaining... Far better to declare Evolution Dead! Raise a flag and scream "God Lives" because, uh, reptiles sometimes lay eggs and sometimes don't.

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@edgarblythe,

Dollo's Law, hs been discussed herein and while its generally accepted, there are exceptions in the living AND the fossil record.
For example, "sabre toothness" in cats and specific marsupials has broken it, as well as beak shapes for certain bird families.

I wonder whether we arenet looking at actual evolution but its an example of genetic vvariability weathering varying selection. (Sorta like the peppered moths?)

Tell ya the truth, there are certain "LAws" that are not really enforced.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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I look forward to my kids understanding biology, just not evolution doctrines like life can be created from non-life, or that ‘the present is the key to the past.’
(Relating to flesh eating and dating techniques for example) .

1 creation of life is not part of evolution. Its a totally different and separate field.

2"Uniformitarianism" is still a good indicator about how things in the past give us clues about how things can be expected to happen now. Catastrophism is only so "the first time it happens" then its just another uniformitarian example

3. Remaining ignorant of evolution or radio-isotopic dating based upon religious beliefs is just kinda stupid.
Ive read the Bible several times to help me understand how it has viewed things for which we have vast reams of counter data today.

Biblical archaeology remains fairly divorced from the Biblical "Calendar" that is based upon lives of succeeding patriarchs. Biblical Archaeology, when served with good science that dating techniques provide, generally agree.

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@Leadfoot,

actually, youre discussions re QM were to Brianjakub not H&G.
AT least I didnt recall you telling em both. You did flip out at BJ many pasges back but his conflating so many disciplines into a "Unified Brianjakub field theory" is something even you coudnt abide .

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@edgarblythe,

That is interesting.
It is along the same lines as humanity creating machines with sensors to control the up-and-down motion of a sunroof depending on the climate. ‘Flipping back-and-forth’
I do enjoy reading how such scientific discoveries confirm that the creator created life with a wide range of biodiversity within each ‘kind.’

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