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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
Leadfoot
 
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Tue 12 Apr, 2016 09:03 am
@parados,
Nah, you just didn't carry things out far enough.
parados
 
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Tue 12 Apr, 2016 09:10 am
@Leadfoot,
Care to expound on how the entropy of the universe shows that life can't exist?

I look forward to your response.
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rosborne979
 
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Tue 12 Apr, 2016 09:25 am
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:
Life is a contradiction to entropy in many ways.

Oh no, not the old Second Law of Thermodynamics objections again.

How is it that a guy who tries to distance himself from Creationist arguments continues to walk down their same paths over and over again.
Leadfoot
 
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Tue 12 Apr, 2016 09:32 am
@rosborne979,
I think farmer though it through better than you or Parados.
parados
 
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Tue 12 Apr, 2016 10:00 am
@Leadfoot,
http://physics.gmu.edu/~roerter/EvolutionEntropy.htm

Quote:
a very simple calculation shows that it is physically impossible for evolution to violate the second law of thermodynamics.
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rosborne979
 
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Tue 12 Apr, 2016 10:26 am
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:
I think farmer though it through better than you or Parados.

No. Farmer and I have been through this very discussion many times before with numerous posters on A2K. It's a well worn path at this point.
Leadfoot
 
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Tue 12 Apr, 2016 10:37 am
@rosborne979,
Like I told Parados, I don't think you followed the path all the way to the end.
rosborne979
 
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Tue 12 Apr, 2016 10:44 am
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:
Like I told Parados, I don't think you followed the path all the way to the end.

Yeh right. That's probably what happened.
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parados
 
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Tue 12 Apr, 2016 11:15 am
@Leadfoot,
Yeah, that's why when I asked you to elucidate you resort to vague comments about how we haven't followed the path.

Give us your math that shows that evolution can't occur since you think I haven't followed it to the end. I have math that shows it can occur.
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brianjakub
 
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Thu 14 Apr, 2016 12:13 pm
@parados,
[quoteyou won't believe something happened until you are told every detail][/quote]What is wrong with that? I would rather have somebody like you that clearly understood evolution to explanation it, than possibly make wrong assumptions myself. The reason I'm asking for details is, I am having a hard time finding explanations in scientific literature and evidence in the fossil records of the transitions of these major changes of animal's bodies in the evolution of sexual reproduction. I am not seeing any evidence of these animals with both sex organs reproducing with males and females. A uterus and birth canal does not develop in one or two generations. I guess if I'd have been one of the 12 apostles I wouldn't have believed until I stuck my hand in Jesus' side like Thomas supposedly did. Since I wasn't there I'll always have my doubts in Christianity, unless somebody can answer all my stupid detailed questions about that just like I'm doing with you and evolution. I really don't want to accept the answer," it happened, think it through yourself" for either question. Nobody would listen to my answers anyway, I'm not a doctor in either field, just a thinker who wants to know.
parados
 
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Thu 14 Apr, 2016 12:16 pm
@brianjakub,
Quote:
What is wrong with that? I would rather have somebody like you that clearly understood evolution to explanation it, than possibly make wrong assumptions myself

I don't believe you are a real person. Until you send me a video of you being born and every moment that has happened to you up to now I won't believe you exist. I am only asking for details. Surely you can provide them. Unless you do so I will always have my doubts.

Do you see the problem with not believing until you have all the details?
brianjakub
 
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Thu 14 Apr, 2016 12:38 pm
@parados,
Does that mean you believe in a god even though people tell you he exists without a whole lot of detailed evidence. Heck if I was God I bet I could prove to you I was. But I'm not. But, you know I'm a person dogs can't write and my computer can't answer you by itself. If you want to send me your email I'll send you a picture of myself my birth certificate and my family. Just don't ask me to tell you how my ancestors evolved from a worm. All I can tell you is they came from Czechoslovakia to America. Their form of sexual reproduction was the same in both countries.
parados
 
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Thu 14 Apr, 2016 01:08 pm
@brianjakub,
Quote:
Does that mean you believe in a god even though people tell you he exists without a whole lot of detailed evidence.


There is a little thing called preponderance of evidence. There is also a thing called the best possible explanation based on known evidence.

The question becomes one of applying the same standard for all situations. You seem to not want to do that. You appear to apply the standard based on what you want to believe. You want to simply ignore evidence and possibilities if they don't meet your preconceived conclusions.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 14 Apr, 2016 01:32 pm
@parados,
You wrote,
Quote:
The question becomes one of applying the same standard for all situations.


I think there's a problem trying to apply the "same standard for all situations." We've all heard of the witnesses to an accident. Ten people saw the accident, but they all came up with different variations of what they saw.

It seems age of the witness has much to do with what they saw.

Even when it comes to belief in god, there are so many gods without evidence, it becomes a philosophical problem. And yet, they all have 'believers.'
parados
 
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Thu 14 Apr, 2016 03:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Which is why I apply the same standard to all situations. Many people saying they saw something is not concrete evidence. There must be some sort of physical evidence to support it.
izzythepush
 
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Thu 14 Apr, 2016 03:16 pm
@parados,
What about a shooting star? Evidence of that usually burns up in the atmosphere.
Setanta
 
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Thu 14 Apr, 2016 03:19 pm
Only the smallest meteors burn up entirely--mankind first made iron tools using meteoric iron before they discovered iron ore and how to smelt it.

But you're just picking nits as you so often seem to enjoy doing. Science is not necessarily in the business of explaining everything people allege they have seen.
izzythepush
 
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Thu 14 Apr, 2016 03:27 pm
@Setanta,
I was talking to Parados, and I wasn't nitpicking. You're just looking for argument because you've not been getting much attention of late.
Leadfoot
 
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Thu 14 Apr, 2016 04:25 pm
@parados,
Quote:
There must be some sort of physical evidence to support it.
You are of course arguing against supernatural/spiritual phenomenon (even if brian is not arguing for that) .

Assuming such a thing is possible, why is it reasonable to expect physical evidence? If you want to arbitrarily rule that out that's fine, but why demand blood from a turnip? That's just a way of avoiding the argument.
parados
 
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Thu 14 Apr, 2016 04:28 pm
@izzythepush,
What exactly are you asking? Are you asking if I believe meteorites exist? Are you asking if I believe things that hit the atmosphere at high speed burn up?
Are you asking if I can extrapolate from things I know to similar things and make conclusions?
 

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