Isn't it funny how quite a few threads start off with the participants stating their case and quickly taking sides, then passionately arguing that their case is the correct one whilst still being pretty reasonable.
What always gets me is how nonpolitical threads (this basically started out as an etiquette thread) turns political. I never expected this thread to get such a high turnout when I started it. I thought it would have ended a day or two after I posted it.
I hope that quite a few of the Americans can see the British side of this argument and understand a bit of where we're coming from on all of this.
The purpose of this thread was about the general etiquette of tipping and (specifically) the nontraditional tipping on open bars where the drinker/patron gets his or her drinks free. The thread evolved radically from there. I knew, understood, and accepted the European/Brit tradition of nontipping long before I started this thread. But let's not get our hopes up and assume that the European/Brit model will ever be allowed here in the US (not allowed by the collective restaurant owners).
Every once and awhile, I hear the clarion call to ban tips and force restaurant management to pay waitstaff a livable wage. Sounds like a great idea and I hope that fast food workers also get their proverbial rising tide (a livable wage). I don't expect the current wave/movement for fast food workers will catch them the $15 an hour they're calling for. They should be expecting something considerably lower then that if the powers that be finally concede to them the right to a slightly better income.