izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 10:43 am
@Olivier5,
Made up mostly of life peers.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 11:30 am
@izzythepush,
Only since 1999... Before that date, there were still hundreds of hereditary peers in the House of Lords. Yours is a tradition minded country.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 12:23 pm
@Olivier5,
The only point you seem to want to make is that we should pay more attention to France, which isn't going to happen. Most of us are rather ambivalent about France, and that's not likely to change.
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 12:50 pm
@Smileyrius,
Well, some people call it Xmas
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 12:59 pm
@neologist,
not sure of the origin of the word, perhaps the panel will help us out there
saab
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 01:07 pm
@Smileyrius,
Xmas is a common abbreviation of the word Christmas . It is sometimes pronounced /ˈɛksməs/, but it, and variants such as Xtemass, originated as handwriting abbreviations for the typical pronunciation /ˈkrɪsməs/. The "-mas" part is from the Latin-derived Old English word for Mass,while the "X" comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word Χριστός which comes into English as "Christ".

Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 01:31 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

The only point you seem to want to make is that we should pay more attention to France, which isn't going to happen. Most of us are rather ambivalent about France, and that's not likely to change.


Don't include me in that ambivalence. Based on my high school history class, France was the cause of WWII, due to the desire to collect every penny of reparations from Germany for WWI. I think that without that miserly, or perhaps vindictive nature, Germany would have not had its run-away inflaction, and the masses would not have been willing to follow radical solutions.

And today, I can always tell who are the French tourists in NYC, based on the sweater draped over a male's shoulders, knotted in front (around the neck), and the male usually talking up a storm (in French) to some female(s), that appears to me he wants the world to see what a bon vivant he is. In my opinion, an exhibitionist effete prick. Plus, this drama usually is conducted in a manner so that the male takes up the most room on a subway or bus, with one arm draped over the adjoining seat. I just find them invariably so intrusive.

Plus, based on national culture, the willingness for French women to tolerate the extra marital dalliances of their husbands is just so non-American, or even non-British. This tells me that many French women might just believe the lie that their men need a periodic infusion of "strange." What a crock. Also, look at whose women are more accomplished. That tells me whose culture has more survival ability.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 02:26 pm
The French may be a stupid race (they guillotined all their intelligent aristocratic genes out of the pool) and they make lousy films, but I've got a soft spot for them for defeating the muslim army at the battle of Tours-Poitiers in 732 AD under General Martel. It's been said that if the muzzies had won, they'd have gone on to overun much of Europe, and todays "dreaming spires of Oxford" would be mosque minarets.

And let's not forget the Spanish too, they may be heathen bullfighter peasants, but at least they eliminated the last muslim presence in Europe after an epic 700-year campaign.
Vive Martel! Viva El Cid..Smile
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/elcid.jpg~original
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 02:32 pm
@Foofie,
LOL.... Now you're talking! Ambivalence and prejudice could well explain the strong resistance one can sense in this thread to what constitutes, after all, boring and fairly obvious etymological facts... All these insults I got for talking about etymology are now perfectly clear: this is not about language or science for you guys, it's about your national pride and about your prejudice against the French... :-)

Too bad I won that contest... Being educated about the English language by a Frenchman, that must hurt Izzy's little pride like hell. :-)

As for you Foof, we all knew you were a hater already.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 02:36 pm
@izzythepush,
Racism is the term you're looking for.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 02:37 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Being educated about the English language by a Frenchman, that must hurt Izzy's little pride like hell.


When it happens I'll let you know.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 02:42 pm
@Olivier5,
Oh sod off, the French get by all right over here. A lot of them are in London, paying British levels of tax. They don't seem bothered enough by our racist outlook to hop on a ferry and sail 20 odd miles home.

Just because Foofie's being his usual small minded self doesn't mean you should start acting the martyr.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 02:51 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Too bad I won that contest... Being educated about the English language by a Frenchman, that must hurt Izzy's little pride like hell. :-)

Except you aren't educating anyone. You insist in your deluded claim that all the Latin derivatives in the English language are scientific and medical in nature. That is complete nonsense as anyone that has ever attended a circus would know.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 02:57 pm
@izzythepush,
LOL! Before this exchange, you thought there were more Norse or Dane words than French words in English... In fact English words borrowed from French are at least ten times more numerous than Norse words. You don't even know where your own language comes from.

And not only you. Set's ignorance of that basic constitutive fact of the English language also surprised me. Maybe that's one of these embarrassing historical facts that don't get taught at school? You guys just hate to pay your cultural debt.

As for your anti-French prejudice, we don't care too much. We know it's rooted in an inferiority complex... :-)
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 03:04 pm
@saab,
Could it possibly be attached to the reticence of some to articulate the syllable 'christ'?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 03:06 pm
@Olivier5,
No ignorance from me. You're the one who can't do the math, and can't distinguish specialist vocabulary from everyday speech. You have continued to try to claim that half the English language comes from French, and even the sources you quote don't support that claim. You are seriously delusional.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 03:09 pm
@izzythepush,
L'Angleterre, cette colonie française qui a mal tourné. (Clemenceau)
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zpsd5dd60a2.jpg
I do not dislike the French from the vulgar antipathy between neighbouring nations, but for their insolent and unfounded airs of superiority.
(Horace Walpole)



The German originates it, the French imitate it and the Englishman exploits it
(German saying) Wink
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 03:13 pm
@parados,
I am educating those who have ears to hear. The others, those trapped in their rancid hatred of foreigners, cannot learn anything anyway… Bad faith will clutter their mind.

Listen, I said 40% of English words "in common use" are from French, you said 33%. Whatever the "real" figure, it is a very large number. In pure vocabulary terms, French has been the most important source of words for English. Middle English absorbed pretty much the entire Old French lexicon. To my knowledge it never happened to any other language. This is huge. And I am not the one saying this: Oxford Dictionary curators are saying this. They are calling this transfer "huge", "enormous", etc.

So even if you can't learn anything from a evidently nasty and haughty Frenchman, maybe you can learn a thing or two from the people working at the Oxford English Dictionary?

Or maybe not.
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 03:14 pm
@saab,
wide eyed and learning here my friend
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 03:24 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Hey, France is German invention anyway... :-)
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