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"Level it, wipe it clear off the map,"

 
 
pistoff
 
Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 03:07 pm
Some Troops Expect All-Out Fallujah Fight

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FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) - Digging in around Fallujah, their three-day-old truce punctured by shelling, gunfire and well-orchestrated ambushes, U.S. Marines gave vent to their frustrations Tuesday, saying they saw no alternative to an all-out battle for the city.

With U.S.-backed Iraqi officials still talking with city leaders about ending the standoff, it's not for the troops to decide how this tangle of conflicting forces will unravel.

But as Marines traded gun and mortar fire with rooftop snipers and fighters on the northern edge of Fallujah, some of them anticipated a bloody push to take the city of 200,000 people, a stronghold of Sunni Muslim insurgents.

"If they're trying to find a peaceful way out of this, great. But at this point, there seem to be few options other than to get innocents out and level it, wipe it clear off the map," said 1st Lt. Frank Dillbeck, scanning the city's outskirts with binoculars during a relative lull in fighting.


*What we have here is Nazi Military War Tactics.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 03:35 pm
I think that is a wrong comparison. I do not believe the Nazis were especially concerned with "getting the innocents out" - and neither were the Allies when levelling some German cities.

I also think it rather unfair to take the quote of some poor American fella in the middle of hell and react as though it were army policy - though some sources say that was close to what was happening in some areas of the city.

Though quite what they are going to do....
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pistoff
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 04:17 pm
A Special Forces colonel in the Vietnam War said of the town, Ben Tre, "We had to destroy the town in order to save it, encapsulating the entire war in a single statement. The same is true in Iraq today -- Fallujah cannot be "saved" from its mujaheddin unless it is destroyed.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 04:27 pm
Pist, you did not address Deb's comment. Please do so.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 04:35 pm
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Which exact part of her comments are you refering to, Bob?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 04:55 pm
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I think that is a wrong comparison. I do not believe the Nazis were especially concerned with "getting the innocents out" - and neither were the Allies when levelling some German cities.

I also think it rather unfair to take the quote of some poor American fella in the middle of hell and react as though it were army policy -
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sparky
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 05:12 pm
I think if this quote had been attributed to a Muslim cleric regarding any city (here or there), it would have been front-page news.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 05:26 pm
Failure
Fallujah: symbol of resistance
Fallujah has become the turning point for the occupation of Iraq. Until now, Iraqi anger at the U.S. was widespread but diffused; and polls showed that Iraqis still hoped that the invasion would eventually lead to brighter future. The past seven days have changed all that, as pictures of dead children fill the TV screens across the nation.

According to this Knight Ridder report, "In this one week, Fallujah has come to symbolize for Iraqis everything that is wrong with the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq.


One, we will need more U.S. troops. The head of the United States Central Command in Iraq, General John Abizaid, has asked the Pentagon to send 10,000 more troops. The request isn't good news for George Bush who has promised to bring back 25,000 troops by November. It's not clear where the troops will come from, but there is no doubt that our allies won't be stepping in to help us out. Two, the battle for Iraq will become bloodier in the coming months, with the death toll dramatically rising on both sides. April is already becoming the deadliest month for the Pentagon since the war began in March, 2003. According to AP, 78 U.S. soldiers were killed and 561 wounded in Iraq in the first 12 days of April. Of course, 600 Iraqis have died in Fallujah alone during the same period. Higher the U.S. casualties, more brutal the military response.

Three, until Fallujah, the coalition forces were fighting a guerilla war, motivated by a mish-mash of religious fervor, anti-American sentiments, and frustration at the slow pace of reconstruction. Now it's a nationalist struggle: "'What is striking is how much has changed in a week -- a week,' said Wamid Nadhmi, a political science professor at Baghdad University. 'No one can talk about the Sunni Triangle anymore. No one can seriously talk about Sunni-Shiite fragmentation or civil war. The occupation cannot talk about small bands of resistance. Now it is a popular rebellion and it has spread.'"

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/2004/04/001878.html
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