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Does reincarnation occur or is it all just hoax?

 
 
dalehileman
 
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Reply Fri 29 Nov, 2013 02:18 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
What is the "vic?"
Sorry Frank, it's short for "victim"
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Nov, 2013 02:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Is absence of evidence,
evidence of absence ?
Testimony has been accepted as evidence.
(I dunno what your position is about that.)
I have no incentive to deceive u.
Anyway, there is no rush; u 'll find out in due time.


Once more all the effects that are reported by near death experiences can be cover by the brain shutting down.

That given that our friend Occam Razor call for going with the simplest less complex theory I see no reason to give a lot of weight to testimonies supporting life after death.
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 29 Nov, 2013 02:44 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Don't count on it. The bible contains a promise for everlasting life, not an everlasting succession of lives. God's purpose is for you to actually know your great, great, great, etc. grandchildren.
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 29 Nov, 2013 02:47 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Do you suppose I might be wrong? That would scare the bejeezus out of you, no?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 29 Nov, 2013 02:50 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Do you suppose I might be wrong? That would scare the bejeezus out of you, no?


I do not suppose you might be wrong...or that you might be right. I know you might be wrong...or right.

And I doubt any of those guesses would scare anything out of me.

But I notice that you avoided dealing with the information I asked for. Let me ask again...and see if you can (or will) give me an answer.

But I am interested in how you KNOW what happens or does not happen after death...that is not a guess.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Fri 29 Nov, 2013 04:16 pm
Incidentally for many years the James Randi Foundation has had a million-dollar prize on offer for anybody who can PROVE under strictly-controlled scientific scrutiny that a supernatural phenomena is true, but as yet nobody has been able to win the prize, not even people who claim to have been reincarnated..Wink
http://www.skepdic.com/randi.html
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 29 Nov, 2013 05:13 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Wow. There really are folks who take this seriously?

That's how I feel about religious people and their religions.
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 29 Nov, 2013 08:23 pm
@Frank Apisa,
My fellow Joiseyite.
Certainly you know by now that I base my 'knowledge' on what I believe to be a preponderance of anecdotal and circumstantial evidence, no part of which constitutes epistemological certainty. But it works for me, Frank. It works for me.

Just like a pair of shoes, you have to try them on; sometimes wear them a while.
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 29 Nov, 2013 08:24 pm
@rosborne979,
neologist wrote:
Wow. There really are folks who take this seriously?
rosborne979 wrote:
That's how I feel about religious people and their religions.
Who woulda thought?
rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 29 Nov, 2013 08:31 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

neologist wrote:
Wow. There really are folks who take this seriously?
rosborne979 wrote:
That's how I feel about religious people and their religions.
Who woulda thought?

Just trying to keep things in perspective for ya Smile
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 30 Nov, 2013 05:44 am
@BillRM,
DAVID wrote:
Is absence of evidence,
evidence of absence ?
Testimony has been accepted as evidence.
(I dunno what your position is about that.)
I have no incentive to deceive u.
Anyway, there is no rush; u 'll find out in due time.
BillRM wrote:
Once more all the effects that are reported by near death experiences
can be cover by the brain shutting down.
That is incorrect.
Some people who have returned from human death in hospitals
(not including me) have had accurate knowledge of unusual remote events
that occurred during their periods of human death,
which are subsequently verified.

Does the brain shutting down
endow one with remote viewing ESP, BILL??
I don t think it does.




BillRM wrote:
That given that our friend Occam Razor call for going
with the simplest less complex theory I see no reason
to give a lot of weight to testimonies supporting life after death.
Y do u believe that the endurance of conscious life is MORE COMPLEX ??
Please tell us the degree of extra complexity (or simplicity)
of excarnate conscious life ?





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 30 Nov, 2013 06:07 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
Don't count on it. The bible contains a promise for everlasting life,
not an everlasting succession of lives.
My experience, and the experiences of others who have briefly left their human bodies,
do not necessarily contradict that. During the course of "everlasting life" one may have occasion
to use multiple meat suits, seriatim. I like the way it was put by Deepak Chopra, M.D.:
people believe that we are human beings with occasional spiritual experiences,
but we are spiritual beings with occasional human experiences
.




neologist wrote:
God's purpose is for you to actually know your great,
great, great, etc. grandchildren.
Some people who have returned from human death in hospitals
have had foreknowledge in early youth of their grandchildren, yet to be born.

There has been a consensus among us that
there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR US TO FEAR about anything.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 30 Nov, 2013 06:29 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Sorry we need to agree to disagree and so call after "death" experiences can be just the brain shutting down.

I remember as a child having ether given to me and seeing a lovely spinning bands of colors surrounding a "tunnel" before going unconscious.

Real real nice but not supernatural in any way.

An people who claimed to remember past lives had time after time had been shown to be hoaxes.
ULTIMATE FACTS shud not be confused with evidentiary procedure.
Let us imagine that next week, a starship from the Planet Vulcan
flys by and is seen and becomes the subject of comment n discussion.
Let us further imagine that this event is followed by 3 hoaxes,
unsuccessful attempts to simulate that event, all of which are detected and exposed.
The actual flight of the Vulcans' ship might be also discredited with the hoaxes,
but that does not retroactively negate the truth of that Vulcan flight.

The facts r not changed by errors of perception.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 30 Nov, 2013 07:40 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

My fellow Joiseyite.
Certainly you know by now that I base my 'knowledge' on what I believe to be a preponderance of anecdotal and circumstantial evidence, no part of which constitutes epistemological certainty. But it works for me, Frank. It works for me.

Just like a pair of shoes, you have to try them on; sometimes wear them a while.


Is that your way of saying that you do not know...that what you said about after death is a pure guess?
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 30 Nov, 2013 04:30 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Is that your way of saying that you do not know...that what you said about after death is a pure guess?
Picture yourself in front of 2 doors, old friend.
Door #1. My doggie Tobias Fleabitis
Door #2. Tyranoeatfrankosaurus
Guess which door is best to open
Hint: Tobias insists on being petted. Tyrano insists on being fed.
I know its just a 'guess' Frank. But give me some credit for thinking it through
rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 30 Nov, 2013 05:35 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Some people who have returned from human death in hospitals
(not including me) have had accurate knowledge of unusual remote events
that occurred during their periods of human death,
which are subsequently verified.

Bullshit. Total and complete bullshit.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Nov, 2013 06:11 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Y do u believe that the endurance of conscious life is MORE COMPLEX ??
Please tell us the degree of extra complexity (or simplicity)
of excarnate conscious life ?


In order to allow for consciousness to exist independent of a working physical brain you would need a whole new theory of existence that there are zero proof for that can not be explain in other ways.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 30 Nov, 2013 10:39 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:
Bullshit. Total and complete b ullshit.
It is difficult for many to come to terms with an eventuality of nothingness.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 1 Dec, 2013 03:50 am
@rosborne979,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Some people who have returned from human death in hospitals
(not including me) have had accurate knowledge of unusual remote events
that occurred during their periods of human death,
which are subsequently verified.
rosborne979 wrote:
Bullshit. Total and complete bullshit.
Will u be good enuf to reveal the source
of your information on this particular point ?





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 1 Dec, 2013 03:55 am
@BillRM,
DAVID wrote:
Y do u believe that the endurance of conscious life is MORE COMPLEX ??
Please tell us the degree of extra complexity (or simplicity)
of excarnate conscious life ?
[Please note your failure
to provide the requested information, qua Occam's Razor.]



BillRM wrote:
In order to allow for consciousness to exist
independent of a working physical brain you would need [????]
a whole new theory of existence that there are zero proof
for that can not be explain in other ways.
U wud, huh ??
I see; therefore, humen did not exist before
we had achieved formulation of "a whole new theory of existence"
in the first place, and when one is put into place, THEN
one begins to exist?? Do fish or rocks exist??
or do fish and rocks HAVE
their own formulated "whole new theory of existence"??

WHICH is older (i.e., more senior in existence):
fish, humen or rocks ??

I hope that u 'll forgive my skepticism.





David
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