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Florida Democrats call for Rumsfeld hit

 
 
Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 12:44 pm
More irrational hatred...

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE APRIL 13, 2004 12:12:05 ET XXXXX

CAMPAIGN RAGE: FLORIDA DEMOCRATS PLACE NEWSPAPER AD CALLING FOR RUMSFELD HIT; FUNDRAISING FOR KERRY

Campaign 2004 turns extreme in Florida with the placement of a newspaper ad calling for physical retribution against Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld!

"We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say 'This is one of our bad days,' and pull the trigger," the ad reads.

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The call-to-arms fundraising ad, placed by the St. Petersburg Democratic Club in the current issue of the GABBER, a local St. Petersburg paper, asks readers to make an urgent donation to the John Kerry campaign.

Club Vice President Edna McCall told the DRUDGE REPORT Tuesday morning: "We want to get our country back. In Iraq, we're in deep trouble. If we don't try to get this situation cleared up, we are finished."

When asked if the ad was a challenge to inflict violence on Rumsfeld, McCall explained: "'Pull the trigger' means let Rumsfeld know where we stand, not to shoot him!"

"We are getting raped, and they are planning to steal the election again."

McCall said her club is in direct contact with John Kerry campaign.

"We're all working together."

The publisher of the GABBER says running the ad with the passage "pull the trigger" was a mistake that "slipped through" during the editing of this week's edition.

Developing...

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 06:54 pm
To suggest that we can solve our problems with violence on Rummie is the most stupid idea to come out of the democratic party. This country has managed to keep violence out of our politics; once it begins, it sets a precedence that cannot be reversed. STUPID STUPID STUPID.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 08:19 pm
EDIT: Removed the evidence of having been bamboozled by the clever folks at Landover Baptist.

But if you want to see their parody site: click here

Unlike the president, I'll take this opportunity to apologize. BAD ME! NAUGHTY NAUGHTY NAUGHTY!
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 08:22 pm
That is a KKK site.
Not the Republican party.

Quite below your ususal standards, I hope.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 08:25 pm
That isn't the KKK, its the parody run by the same people who do Whitehouse.org and Landover Baptist.
I am eagerly awaiting an explanation and a firing from the idiots who sponsored the newspaper add!
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 08:29 pm
Tarantulas,

Why did you pick an article that did not mention the Democratic party attacking the decision of a regional group to use those ads?
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 08:32 pm
I just glanced. But, it is BOGUS.

The Dems wanting to murder Rummy were real.

(For those keeping score.)
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 08:46 pm
hobitbob wrote:
That isn't the KKK, its the parody run by the same people who do Whitehouse.org and Landover Baptist.
I am eagerly awaiting an explanation and a firing from the idiots who sponsored the newspaper add!

Oops. Quite right. I typed in the wrong url. I can only say that at least I didn't link to the whitehouse.com porn site.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 13 Apr, 2004 10:07 pm
and I thank you for that.
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 12:45 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
Tarantulas,

Why did you pick an article that did not mention the Democratic party attacking the decision of a regional group to use those ads?

At the time, there wasn't a selection of articles from which to choose. Just the one on Drudge's website. Did the Democrat leadership disagree with the ad in public? Good for them.

And once again I find it hard to understand how people can say in public that they would like to see this or that official with an axe embedded in his skull. I understand that kind of speech is pretty common on the Democrat Underground board, but you hardly ever see it at Free Republic. I wonder if anyone can come up with a reasonable idea why that is so.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 01:05 pm
Tarantulas wrote:
At the time, there wasn't a selection of articles from which to choose. Just the one on Drudge's website.


You sure? I doubt it but don't plan on checking it. I read it quite early in many mainstream media together with Democratic denunciation.

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Did the Democrat leadership disagree with the ad in public? Good for them.


"We are calling the Pinellas County Democratic Party chair about this ad and demand that it be retracted," Kerry campaign spokesman Stephanie Cutter told CNN. "John Kerry does not condone this type of advertising and believes that it is wrong."

Pinellas County Democratic Party Chairman Kevin Jensen told CNN that he, too, was outraged by the ad, and said party officials "don't condone this type of stupidity."


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And once again I find it hard to understand how people can say in public that they would like to see this or that official with an axe embedded in his skull.


Stupidity knows no boundaries of time or place.

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I understand that kind of speech is pretty common on the Democrat Underground board, but you hardly ever see it at Free Republic. I wonder if anyone can come up with a reasonable idea why that is so.


There are a lot of reasons that this may be so. Which is the incum,bent party, the level of moderating each site has and your own ability to accurately percieve the differences.

As a member of neither site I'll not fall into this trap, it seems to imply a difference in the degree of stupidity that each side is willing to delve to and in that I disagree (and if you ask the liberals around here I also stridently disagree when they say the same about conservatives).

Each side here is always trying to paint the other side as "badder and stupider" on average. IMO, this is an understandable, if idiotic, impulse.
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 01:34 pm
I didn't see the Kerry campaign's response to the article. That's all Drudge had on his website. Usually when he puts "Developing..." on a story, he doesn't have a link to the full reference material.

As for the threats of violence, you may be right, it may be the moderating on the two boards that makes the difference. I know on Free Republic the members are pretty much self moderating. If anyone gets out of line and posts something that looks like a public threat, he gets several warnings right away from other members. The Democrat Underground board seems to be more free-wheeling.

The point I was trying to make is not that one side is badder and stupider, but that it seems to me that liberals tend to react more from emotion than conservatives do. I've never heard a conservative say "Ooooh, that Bill Clinton, I just hate him so much. I don't even know why, but I hate him. Anyone who can't pronounce the word 'nuclear' doesn't deserve to be the President. And he swaggers, too. Every time I see him I throw something at the TV." I don't know, maybe that's not worth talking about, but it's something I've noticed.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 01:37 pm
Tarantulas wrote:
The point I was trying to make is not that one side is badder and stupider, but that it seems to me that liberals tend to react more from emotion than conservatives do. I've never heard a conservative say "Ooooh, that Bill Clinton, I just hate him so much. I don't even know why, but I hate him. Anyone who can't pronounce the word 'nuclear' doesn't deserve to be the President. And he swaggers, too. Every time I see him I throw something at the TV." I don't know, maybe that's not worth talking about, but it's something I've noticed.


You're not the only one to have noticed.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 01:40 pm
Tar, It's really funny (and I'm LOL) that you would criticize Clinton for misprouncing one word and not say something about GWBush on the same subject. ha ha ha.....
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 01:46 pm
...I think that was intentional transference to make a point...
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 01:53 pm
Same difference to me Tarantulas, each side likes to play emperor's new clothes and ascribe the differences of opinion to some inherent trait of the sides.

But it's definitely not worth discussing unles ya want to do some serious counting. To quantify the impression you get is nearly impossible.
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 02:02 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
But it's definitely not worth discussing unles ya want to do some serious counting. To quantify the impression you get is nearly impossible.

I don't think it's quite as hopeless an undertaking as you might think. But it would take a long time to compile evidence, and in the end it would probably be dismissed as "anecdotal" anyway. So it's not worth pursuing.

On Free Republic, when you go to the reply screen, here's what you see near the SUBMIT button:

"Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."

So that's probably why there aren't too many personal attacks or threats. I suspect Democrat Underground doesn't have the same limitations. FR has been sued several times, so the owner is being careful about what's posted there.

EDIT - cicerone, Sofia was right. "Nuclear" was just a sample word. IIRC, Clinton pronounces it correctly.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 02:27 pm
I was talking about the more general emotion/logic idea you forwarded, the comparison between the boards is a very small subset of what you'd stated about emotions.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 02:37 pm
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Ad Draws Big Notice To Little Newspaper
By WILLIAM MARCH [email protected]
Published: Apr 14, 2004

GULFPORT - It's not often that The Gabber, a free, weekly, 13,000-circulation paper big on boccie tournaments and city council dispatches, makes national news.
When it published Tuesday, however, the shock waves reverberated nationwide.

The Gabber carried an advertisement from the St. Petersburg Democratic Club, a small group of local Democrats, suggesting Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld be killed.

By noon it was on the Drudge Report. ``Campaign Rage: Florida Democrats Place Newspaper Ad Calling For Rumsfeld Hit,'' the Drudge Web site screamed in what newspaper editors call ``Second Coming type.''

By 1:20 p.m., The Gabber had 120 calls from reporters, ``everybody from CNN to The New York Times,'' Publisher Ken Reichart said ruefully.

The Florida Republican Party issued an outraged response, and the Defense Department was ``very familiar with it,'' a Pentagon spokesman said.

``We don't discuss security arrangements for the secretary,'' said the spokesman, Lt. Col. Barry Venable, when asked whether the matter was taken seriously or might be investigated.

The ad was a strenuous denunciation of President Bush over the war in Iraq.

``Bush doesn't even know who in the hell we're fighting,'' it states. ``How many more have to be killed before the Bush Bunch is satisfied?

``And then there's Rumsfeld, who said of Iraq, `We have our good days and our bad days.' We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say, `This is one of our bad days,' and pull the trigger.''

The ad sought contributions to the campaign of presidential challenger John Kerry, offering phone numbers for club President Ken Steinke and Vice President Edna McCall.

There may have been more response than expected. Neither number was being answered Tuesday afternoon.

Kevin Jensen, the Pinellas County Democratic Party chairman, said he was trying to reach Steinke or McCall to find out who wrote and placed the ad.

``We don't stand by this type of mischief. It's a bad thing,'' Jensen said.

McCall, 88, is a member of the Democratic Executive Committee, the county's official party organization, Jensen said, but Steinke, 75, was removed from the committee two or three years ago.

Their club is a group of about 40 Democrats with a charter from the party as a social organization, Jensen said.

He predicted the party would retract the club charter.

``We realize the seriousness of this,'' he said. ``A person can have their own opinion but not attach it to the club.''

State Republican Party Chairwoman Carole Jean Jordan said the ad was ``a direct reflection'' of criticism of Bush by Democratic leaders, including Kerry. ``Despicable,'' Jordan declared in a statement headlined: ``The Democrats Have Finally Gone Too Far.''

State Democratic Chairman Scott Maddox issued a statement calling the ad ``reprehensible and in poor taste,'' saying it was the work of a ``misguided individual.''

Reichart said he regretted publishing the ad.

``It was about halfway between accidental and bad judgment,'' he said, meaning he read the ad but didn't think carefully enough about impact before publishing it.

``Tonight I'm going to take a deep breath and figure out how to handle this,'' he said when asked whether he intended to print a retraction or other statement. ``We're going to have to do something.''


Reporter William March can be reached at (813) 259-7761


http://www.tampatrib.com/FloridaMetro/MGALA0QS0TD.html
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 02:47 pm
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`Tonight I'm going to take a deep breath and figure out how to handle this,'' he said when asked whether he intended to print a retraction or other statement. ``We're going to have to do something.''


Okay my partisanship is really going to show here, but I'm going to ask anyway.

These folks probably did make a really bad decision and demonstrated poor taste and bad judgment in putting out that ad. I don't believe for a minute they were seriously advocating shooting Rummy. Once they retract the ad and apologize, I can easily forgive them for temporarily succumbing to adolescent passion and rhetoric.

Why can't the liberals/Democrats give the benefit of the doubt and do the same when a Republican makes a gaff of some kind?
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