Is "ire" still in use? Does "provoked the ire" sound old-fashioned?

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On Oct 24, the Chinese Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Public Security announced new guidelines to provide better security at hospitals: the number of security guards in each hospital should be at least one per 20 patient beds or no less than 3% of medical staff.3 This announcement has provoked the ire of medical professionals and Internet users, stressing the government's hypocrisy because it will not address the fundamental issue of protection of doctors and might even further intensify the doctor—patient conflicts.4

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@oristarA,

It sounds very slightly old fashioned, but it's well understood and I would not hesitate to use it. In your example, it sounds quite natural.

Now, I'm going to go read the article and see why 20 beds requires a security guard.

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@roger,

"Article not found". Hmmm. Maybe I'm not the only one that thought it sounded a little odd.

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@oristarA,

Yes, "ire" is still in use. As a turn of phrase goes , it's more clinquant than demode.

It went and lit my ire.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

"Article not found". Hmmm. Maybe I'm not the only one that thought it sounded a little odd.

It's A2K's fault. You have to copy the link:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(13)62401-0/fulltext

If still "404 not found", that is probably because Lancet blocks non-China IP access.

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@oristarA,

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Is "ire" still in use? Does "provoked the ire" sound old-fashioned?

Its OK.

David

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@oristarA,

Full context:

The Lancet, Volume 382, Issue 9906, Pages 1703 - 1704, 23 November 2013 <Previous Article|Next Article>doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(13)62401-0Cite or Link Using DOICopyright © 2013 Elsevier Ltd All rights reserved.

Appeal from Chinese doctors to end violence

Within only 10 days in October, seven consecutive incidents of violence against medical personnel took place in Chinese hospitals, three doctors were killed and ten medical staff were injured.1 This recent wave of assaults on medical staff has led to widespread discussions on Chinese social media. Anger, fear, despair, and even hatred are common among doctors. Chinese doctors are under tremendous stress.
The growing problem of violence in hospitals in China can certainly be attributed to the worsening of the doctor—patient relationship, but more importantly, it is probably due to the fact that China's health-care system lacks regulations to protect medical staff from intended violence.2 There is no comprehensive legislation in China to specifically address medical disputes and violence, with the exception of so-called guiding opinions without legal effects.
On Oct 24, the Chinese Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Public Security announced new guidelines to provide better security at hospitals: the number of security guards in each hospital should be at least one per 20 patient beds or no less than 3% of medical staff.3 This announcement has provoked the ire of medical professionals and Internet users, stressing the government's hypocrisy because it will not address the fundamental issue of protection of doctors and might even further intensify the doctor—patient conflicts.4
This deteriorated medical environment has led many to question what will be the future of doctors in China—this is a collective concern for the entire Chinese society.5
As doctors in China, we call for a zero-tolerance attitude toward violence in hospital. The Chinese Government should drive the momentum of health-care reform to bring fundamental relief in this tense situation. Legislation should be strengthened to tackle crimes hampering the safety of medical staff. Only with effective and prompt actions will we be able to rebuild confidence.

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@oristarA,

Thanks for posting that. Any idea why doctor/patient relationships are so bad?

Number of incidents doesn't really tell me a lot. China is a big place, after all.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

Thanks for posting that. Any idea why doctor/patient relationships are so bad?

Number of incidents doesn't really tell me a lot. China is a big place, after all.

(1) US is ruled by LAW, while China is ruled by man. So actually NO RULE can be followed in China and infuriated patients, when unsatisfied by treatment outcome, would seek compensation through blood and slaughter. Because they think doctors are dogs of the government.

(2) Due to failing school and education in China.

(3) Widespread, refractory corruption in Chinese government has also ruined the heart of today's Chinese people.

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@oristarA,

That sure doesn't sound too good.

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I doubt that you will find many people using the word in conversationally. In writing, it might still be seen from time to time.

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@Miss L Toad,

I use it often.....but I'm weird.

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People's ire can be aroused or provoked, and when it is, they become irate. Perfectly natural, acceptable, and readily understood in British English. Possibly a little formal and therefore likely to be perceived as old-fashioned by the iPad generation and/or chavs. Actually on reflection I think Chavs would probably say "yer wot?".

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Because "ire" is a little old-fashioned, and slightly "educated" or "dignified", it may be used to signify an attack upon (implied) pomposity or self-importance e.g. "Proposals to legalise gay marriage will probably arouse the ire of the conservative wing of the Church Of England"

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I wonder whether the word
is etymologically related to Ireland.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Good one, David!

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@oristarA,

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US is ruled by LAW

That's the illusion, Ori.

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Due to failing school and education in China.

Same deal in the US in English and History.

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@oristarA,

It doesn't sound at all old fashioned, Ori.

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@roger,

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It sounds very slightly old fashioned, but it's well understood and I would not hesitate to use it. In your example, it sounds quite natural.

The dictionary definition of 'equivocate'.

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@oristarA,

oristarA wrote:

It's A2K's fault. You have to copy the link:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(13)62401-0/fulltext

Try putting "URL code brackets" at the beginning and end of the link so that the A2K software recognizes that the parentheses are supposed to be part of the link.

Code:[url]http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(13)62401-0/fulltext[/url]

should result in:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(13)62401-0/fulltext

If that fails, try replacing each parenthesis with the proper "percent code".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent-encoding

"(" can be replaced by "%28"
")" can be replaced by "%29"

EDIT: Note that the /url code brackets will on rare occasions break a link that works just fine without them.

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