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Scientific studies: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 16 Dec, 2013 10:28 pm
re Miller-Urey and the formation of molecules in the cold of interstellar space, which molecules are the precursors of life:
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Researchers have discovered prebiotic (pre-life) molecules in interstellar space that may have formed on dusty ice grains floating between the stars.

The molecules were detected in a giant cloud of gas some 25,000 light-years from Earth, near the center of our Milky Way Galaxy — specifically, the star-forming region Sagittarius(Sgr) B2(N), which is the richest interstellar chemical environment currently known.

One of the newly-discovered molecules, called E-cyanomethanimine (E-HNCHCN) is one step in the process that chemists believe produces adenine, one of the four nucleobases that form the “rungs” in the ladder-like structure of DNA. The other molecule, called ethanamine, is thought to play a role in forming alanine, one of the twenty amino acids in the genetic code.

“Finding these molecules in an interstellar gas cloud means that important building blocks for DNA and amino acids can ‘seed’ newly-formed planets with the chemical precursors for life,” said Anthony Remijan, of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO).

The newly-discovered interstellar molecules are intermediate stages in multi-step chemical processes leading to the final biological molecule. Details of the processes remain unclear, but the discoveries give new insight on where these processes occur.

Previously, scientists thought such processes took place in the very tenuous gas between the stars. The new discoveries, however, suggest that the chemical formation sequences for these molecules occurred not in gas, but on the surfaces of ice grains in interstellar space.

The discoveries were made possible by new technology that speeds the process of identifying the “fingerprints” of cosmic chemicals. Each molecule has a specific set of rotational states that it can assume.

When a molecule changes from one state to another, a specific amount of energy is either emitted or absorbed, often as radio waves at specific microwave frequencies (between 9 and 50 GHz) that can be observed with the Green Bank Telescope (GBT) in West Virginia.

New laboratory techniques have allowed astrochemists to measure the characteristic patterns of such radio frequencies for specific molecules. Armed with that information, they then can match that pattern with the data received by the telescope.

Laboratories at the University of Virginia and the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics measured radio emission from cyanomethanimine and ethanamine, and the frequency patterns from those molecules were then matched to publicly available data produced by a survey done with the GBT from 2008 to 2011.

A team of undergraduate students participating in a special summer research program for minority students at the University of Virginia (U.Va.) conducted some of the experiments leading to the discovery of cyanomethanimine. The students worked under U.Va. professors Brooks Pate and Ed Murphy, and Remijan. The program, funded by the National Science Foundation, brought students from four universities for summer research experiences. They worked in Pate’s astrochemistry laboratory, as well as with the GBT data.

The researchers reported their findings in Astrophysical Journal Letters and (open-access) ArXiv


No evidence of a god doing it. Just natural processes.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:16 am
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:
There is no evidence that snakes can talk.
Then why did you ignore that part of my answer?
JimmyJ wrote:
There is no evidence that Satan exists. Therefore it is not reasonable to assert that they do.
No evidence with empirical certainty, you say. OK. I base my belief on the preponderance of anecdotal and circumstantial evidence. Read the paper. Watch TV. Plenty of anecdotal evidence for Satan's existence, I say.
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:28 am
@neologist,
If that meets your definition of "evidence" it's no wonder you're so confused on what is fact and fantasy.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:51 am
@neologist,
neologist says:
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No evidence with empirical certainty, you say. OK. I base my belief on the preponderance of anecdotal and circumstantial evidence. Read the paper. Watch TV. Plenty of anecdotal evidence for Satan's existence, I say.


That proves nothing except that there are a lot of immoral people (including, to be sure, a lot of Christians) They do it because of who and what they are, not because some evil fairy is whispering in their ear. Satan's imaginary.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 03:55 am
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JimmyJ said: You're essentially quoting the Bible to prove its own validity. Surely you see the flaw in this reasoning? There's scarce evidence that Jesus even existed at all.

Atheists quote atheist books to "prove" their case so why shouldn't christians quote the bible?

As for the existence of Jesus, there are plenty of references to him OUTSIDE the Bible in-
Gospel Of Thomas
Gospel of Mary
Gospel of Peter
Gospel of Judas.
Mohammed said Jesus was a prophet and miracle man (Koran 2.253).
Roman historian Josephus, 1st cent AD- "Now there was about this time Jesus..He was a doer of wonderful works. He was the Christ.."
Babylonian Talmud tractate Sanhedrin, 43a,- "they hanged Yeshua (Jesus).."
Dead Sea Scroll 4Q246-"He shall be called the son of God, and they shall call him son of the Most High"
The Toledot Yeshu (the medieval Jewish anti-gospel) speaks at length about Jesus.
Incidentally for centuries atheists said Nazareth never existed in Jesus's time, but recent digs have proved them wrong. Who do you think lived there, Mary Poppins?..Smile


http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/nazareth-digB.gif
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 04:34 am
@JimmyJ,
I see, you have a pre-devised conversation you wanted to railroad me into, my close atheist friends used to have the same quirk. I'd happily have obliged if you asked the questions you really wanted to ask.

Yes my friend, I believe in the validity of scripture. I don't buy evolution as a whole, but I do prescribe to macroevolution, natural selection and survival of the fittest, I also like Darwin's finches story.

Now Im on board, where are we going?

JimmyJ
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 04:39 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Please name one "atheist book" that I've quoted. Please define "atheist book".

I think you'd dismiss almost any book that refutes your argument as an "atheist book", lol.

Why are you quoting a bunch of religious texts to prove your point? You do realize how circular that is, don't you? All of those "Gospels" were written over a hundred years after Jesus' supposed existence. Why is it that no non-Christian writers ever wrote of Jesus' existence in the early CE?

I'm sorry. Did the digs prove that Jesus lived there? You speak as though they have.
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 04:41 am
@Smileyrius,
I don't really know what you're talking about. I was simply trying to figure out whether or not you were a creationist and you've just answered. Your answer is "I don't know if I'm a creationist or not", because the biblical account for creation and Biological evolution contradict each other (the biblical account for creation contradicts almost every scientific study).
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 05:07 am
@JimmyJ,
Could you give me a few scientific studies that prove the bible account wrong? I like to deal with specifics as a part of my process for improving my understanding
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 05:20 am
@JimmyJ,
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The ignorant jury, you mean?

There was a time when 90% of all people thought that African americans were inferior as well. As far as the people who actually know what they're talking about (scientists), the jury is not out and hasn't been out for about 150 years.


The jury would have to be ignorant for your argument to stand up wouldn't it?

What's the difference between you declaring the jury "ignorant" and those people declaring that African Americans were inferior.

If your argument has validity then so does theirs. Unless yours does because you are you and theirs doesn't because they are them.

Stay away from science Jimmy. It's not your forte.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 05:26 am
@JimmyJ,
And you just told somebody--

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You are in desperate need of some type of critical thinking/logic-based class.


Fond of assertions aren't you? Judging from the post above you could do with a class or two yourself. Grade 1, Lesson 1. Don't run away with the power of your intellect.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 05:45 am
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JimmyJ said: Please name one "atheist book" that I've quoted. Please define "atheist book".
All of those "Gospels" were written over a hundred years after Jesus' supposed existence. Why is it that no non-Christian writers ever wrote of Jesus' existence in the early CE?
Did the digs prove that Jesus lived there? You speak as though they have.


1- Athests quote atheists books all the time, that must be where you got the mistaken notion that the gospels were written a hundred years after Jesus's death..Smile
For the record gospel-writers Matthew and John were actual disciples, gospel-writer Mark was a mate of Jesus's right-hand man Peter, and gospel-writer Luke was a mate of Paul.

2- When Christianity began snowballing in popularity after Jesus's execution, the snooty Jewish priests and the posturing Romans said - "Oops better not let on it was us who killed him, quick shred all the documents implicating us or we'll have a Jesusgate scandal on our hands. Let's airbrush him out of history and start hassling christians, and people will soon quickly forget about him"..
Nevertheless 27 books did slip through the net and get published as the New Testament..Smile

3- The digs prove ancient Nazareth DID exist; so I bet red-faced pouting atheists are having to rip out the pages from their atheist books that say it never existed..Smile
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 05:51 am
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JimmyJ said: the biblical account for creation contradicts almost every scientific study

Only hardcore old-time religionists take the creation story as literal!
Modern christians recognise the story for what it is, pure metaphor and analogy..Smile
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 07:28 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
You will spoil their fun Romeo if you are not careful. Militant atheists need it to be taken literally in order to have anything to say worth saying.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 08:22 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
For the record gospel-writers Matthew and John were actual disciples, gospel-writer Mark was a mate of Jesus's right-hand man Peter, and gospel-writer Luke was a mate of Paul.

That information is at odds with most professional historians and biblical scholars. So where are you getting your information?
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 08:27 am
@rosborne979,
I believe that Romeo uses the "pulled it out of my ass" method of scholarly investigation.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 08:30 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
I believe that Romeo uses the "pulled it out of my ass" method of scholarly investigation.

Maybe so, but I doubt that he will cite "my ass" as his source Smile
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 09:52 am
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Romeo proclaimed: gospel-writers Matthew and John were actual disciples, gospel-writer Mark was a mate of Jesus's right-hand man Peter, and gospel-writer Luke was a mate of Paul.
Rosborne claimed: That information is at odds with most professional historians and biblical scholars. So where are you getting your information?

'Professional historians' will write any crap to sucker atheists into buying their books, and a crackpot 'bible scholar' is still a crackpot even if he's got a truckload of diplomas..Smile
We know enough facts about the gospel-writers to do a soap series based on them-

Matthew the disciple, formerly Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27) son of Alpheus, was formerly a tax collector (Luke 5:29-30) one of the 12 apostles handpicked by Jesus (Matthew 9:9), he wrote his gospel between c.60 and 80 AD after Mark wrote his first.

Mark, a friend of Jesus's righthand man Peter (1 Peter 5:13) also called John, Mark was a cousin of Barnabas (Colossians 4:10), a helpful co-worker of Paul (2 Timothy 4:11), and wrote his gospel c.60AD not long after some Apostolic Letters were written: i.e., James, Galatians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Corinthians, and Romans. His mother was one of the Marys (Acts 12:12) from an influential and probably wealthy family, and so some speculated that the last supper was held in their home and that he was the young man in Mark 14:51-52 which is not in the other accounts.

Luke, a doctor (2 Tim. 4:11) and a gentile convert (Luke 1:2) probably by Paul who became his traveling companion (Acts 17:1; 20:5, 6-21:18 ). He wrote his gospel c.65 AD.

John the disciple, (John 13:23) son of Zebedee, the brother of James the "greater" (Matthew 4:21; 10:2; Mark 1:19; 3:17; 10:35) wrote his gospel c.95AD, the last to be written before Revelation. Also from a wealthy family (Mark 1:20; Luke 5:3; John 19:27). His mother was probably Salome (Matthew 27:56; Mark 15:40). He was one of the closest disciples to Jesus among the twelve (Matthew 17:1; 26:37; Mark 5:37; 13:3). He was zealous (Matthew 20:20-24; Mark 3:17; 10:35-41; Luke 9:49, 54). He became one of the leaders of the Jerusalem Church (Acts 15:6; Galatians 2:9) and of the seven churches in Asia (Revelation 1:11). He was banished to the island of Patmos where he wrote Revelation
rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 10:01 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Quote:
Romeo proclaimed: gospel-writers Matthew and John were actual disciples, gospel-writer Mark was a mate of Jesus's right-hand man Peter, and gospel-writer Luke was a mate of Paul.
Rosborne claimed: That information is at odds with most professional historians and biblical scholars. So where are you getting your information?

'Professional historians' will write any crap to sucker atheists into buying their books, and a crackpot 'bible scholar' is still a crackpot even if he's got a truckload of diplomas..Smile
We know enough facts about the gospel-writers to do a soap series based on them-

Oh my god, Set was right. You just pulled it right out of your ass and didn't even try to hide it. Well, at least you're consistent.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 17 Dec, 2013 10:02 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
I believe that Romeo uses the "pulled it out of my ass" method of scholarly investigation.

Ok. You were right. Smile
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