@Herald,
Herald wrote:
farmerman wrote: Since I started the question I deserve first answer.
It doesn't matter who started what ... but rather who makes the claim.
You claim that you know how has the water come down here on the Earth (if it has come at all).
You claim that you can measure any age (without any problems ... and any calibration).
You claim that the lava rocks and the green algae can make the water on the Earth (without having any idea how could the green algae could appear within the lava rocks). Hence you are supposed to present the evidences ... and the justification.
As far as me is concerned, I don't need any fake evidences (with questionable and non-calibrated dating) - a plausible inference would be enough.
FM, you cannot explain 99% of the processes on the Earth (with or without the so called evidences you are presenting).
Herald first of all, you are being disingenuous and secondly I find it amusing that you demand evidences for how water appeared on earth yet you have no problem positing that a supernatural entity was involved. You can't get any more ironic than that.
But let's back up. I don't know what FM's background is or how much chemistry education he has but I can tell you that there are multiple ways to develop water. In fact one very abundant resource that causes oxygen and hydrogen molecules to combine is none other than the sun. Well sun light that is. Now I know what you are thinking, that is absurd because it seems rather disconnected. How could sun light possibly bring oxygen and hydrogen molecules together?
It works a little like this. The earth crust forms, it isn't molten any more. There are high levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and oxygen levels are low, very low. The sun keeps the atmosphere on earth very warm due to the high levels of CO2. This produces just the right amount of energy for the small amounts of oxygen and hydrogen in the upper atmosphere to combine which causes water vapor. ie. clouds.
Once these clouds get heavy enough they rain down onto the crust. The water seeps into gaps and cracks where minerals locked within the rocks are released and puddles of water form within these cracks and gaps, holes ect. These small pools of stagnant water with their mixture of many different chemicals, phosphorus, nitrogen, ect. These pools sometimes evaporate and leave behind a chemical residue on the rocks. This residue is exposed to the suns light in some spots and warm temperatures.
Then some time later it rains again and the residue is re-exposed to pools of water. Streams form moving this re-constituted residue down stream. Soon there is large ponds, lakes of this residue soup. Perfect building blocks for RNA synthesis and once RNA is abundant, DNA is not far behind.
Now understand something. This process probably took a billion years to get to this last point I made. It is a cycle of hydrogen and oxygen combining to form water vapor, then rain, the rain erodes the rock, the minerals mix in pools, the pools evaporate, residue is formed, the residue is re-exposed to the sun and then exposed to rain again. (probably due to seasons) then all this ends up in lakes and ponds where RNA forms.
Before algae comes to be, microbes and bacteria are the first to arise. They further break down the CO2 and minerals in the lake beds which release iron deposits. This iron becomes a key ingredient to the formation of the first forms of algae. It continues to rain and CO2 levels are coming down over another half a billion years. Meanwhile the entire planet is covered in microbes and bacteria eating away the minerals and exposing top layers of iron which are then further eroded which run off into the lakes an ponds.
These ponds are choked with rust colored water which block out the suns rays and kill off the microbes but the bacteria thrive in this environment as billions of microbes die. This creates layers of calcium deposits on pond and lake beds. Where they are covered by layers of run off silt. Another key player later on when algae form.
I think you are getting the picture. Do I know any of this for absolute fact? No. But evidence of rock formations in areas where the crust is dated to be extremely old show that these layers formed so microbes and bacteria had to exist. When you look into what sort of microbes they were, they didn't need oxygen. Also lots of locked in layers of iron rust deposits are found mixed within these layers of calcium.
In other words the evidence and chemistry tell the story, You just need to have some chemistry knowledge to be able to see what the clues are telling you. But you don't honestly like any of this, you would rather have your magical sky daddy snapping his fingers and saying his holy presto words making everything magically appear into existence aged just to throw off those pesky scientists.
