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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 06:21 pm
@JimmyJ,
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So are you saying Geology and Biology are not sciences or what?


No. All I said was that Spengler placed Catholic dogma in the science category and not geology and biology.

Not that I expect you to understand James. You couldn't read Spengler's masterpiece in any reasonable definition of "read".
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 06:26 pm
@spendius,
Spengler never dreamed he would be a "poster child" for Nazis during the early 30's. Didn't he consider Supernatural and spiriyualism as "Science"
I have to dig up what Karl Popper said about him, (It should be in a humor thread)
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 06:30 pm
It's getting easier to see why other nations look on us as slobbering idiots.
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jan, 2014 01:59 am
@spendius,
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No. All I said was that Spengler placed Catholic dogma in the science category and not geology and biology.


Someone equating religion with science and leaving out biology and geology is not someone I want to read at all anyways.

No wonder you're so foolish when you take into consideration such silly world-views.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jan, 2014 11:39 am
@JimmyJ,
When the fossil intermediate (fish and amphibian) was found in 2003 by hubin nd Deschler, it was thought that the "fisshopod" had developed these large front hand-like limbs that enabled it to haul itself out onto land as their swamps began drying out or seasonally declining (some of the fossils show it to have been about 7 to 9 feet long)EVERYONE thought that, Tiktallik displayed a lungfish style of large fore limbs with tiny little rear limbs that only began developing as the species hauled out more and more.
A new series of complete Tiktallik fossils have been found in the 375 million year old rocks of Elsmere island . What they show is that Tiktallik was a "hopeful monster" wherein its rear legs were already developed as functioning "finny feet' that allowed the fish to bound around the lake or stream bottom and the critter was already pretty much "pre-evolved" to have been motile on the land although it would have a few generations before its body would no longer have a "land dragging belly".
So, in this case, the animal had already undergone a significant change in its fin structures so they could act like swim fins AND, sort of proto feet that enabled the fish to bounce along the bottom.
As its always been discovered, evolution occurs in steps and always involves a new use for an old structure or limb.

Tiktallik hs become one of the most vocal examples of the "Hopeful Monster" (A body that has pre-evolved to accomplish something entirely different than it became ultimately associated with.
Neat!
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jan, 2014 12:16 pm
@JimmyJ,
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Get it straight Jimmy for goodness sake.

Spengler wasn't saying that religion was equated with science. He said that Catholic dogma was one of only four sciences still worthy of the name, with a question mark over one of them too, because it has not been tainted by the likes of you after having journalistic pablum spoon-fed to you all the days of your life. But fancy a budding scientist declaring Spengler silly simply to excuse yourself for being unable to read him. That's more than a taint. It's a skidmark.

If he was alive today I think he might cross out physics as well as jurisprudence and leave Catholic dogma and mathematics to carry science's torch.

Your readiness to deploy pejoratives in lieu of argument puts you in the underclass in a science debate although I can see that the habitual use of the schoolgirl tantrum must have served you well in your peer group.

Spengler is out of your reach. Well out. But I understand that asserting he was "silly" gets you off that hook and allows you to avoid one of the most influential books of the 20th century whilst continuing to delude yourself that you are educated. Your pipsqueak vocabulary is quite sufficient to put such an idea to the sword.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jan, 2014 12:24 pm
@edgarblythe,
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It's getting easier to see why other nations look on us as slobbering idiots.


But they don't ed. They are busily learning our language, copying our technology and sending their best students to our universities with all expenses paid.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jan, 2014 12:27 pm
@farmerman,
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Neat!


Nothing neat about a pre-determined process fm. The word implies a designer.
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JimmyJ
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jan, 2014 09:12 pm
@farmerman,
I actually did a research study with one of my professors of fossil records on ichthyostega, but I did learn a little bit about Tiktaalik in the process.

I always laugh when people say there's "missing links" in the fossil record! Such people clearly haven't done any examining for themselves.
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jan, 2014 09:15 pm
@spendius,
I simply stated that I don't care to read anyone that considered Catholic dogma to be science whilst leaving out Biology and Geology.

Get off your pedestal. You're a joke here lol. Nobody takes your incessant rambling seriously and all of the people here can clearly see what your goals are (to attempt to turn arguments upside down and show us that you are "intellectual").
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jan, 2014 05:45 am
@JimmyJ,
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I simply stated that I don't care to read anyone that considered Catholic dogma to be science whilst leaving out Biology and Geology.


Elaborate social structures are necessary before physical structures are possible. Individuals are helpless. You don't feel helpless because you inherited a social structure ready made and feel like kicking it.

Constructing social structures is a scientific operation and particularly difficult because human beings are the material.

But I do understand that opening Spengler's great book would give you a severe fright and that you need a reason to avoid doing so. Which is why you have provided yourself with one. Telling those who think it is an unsatisfactory reason that they are "silly"or "a joke" means nothing.

If the social structure provided by Catholic dogma is abolished another one will have to replace it to avoid anarchy.

As you want, or think you want, to abolish Catholic dogma could you tell "all of the people here" the alternative you favour? What you have is a critique of Catholic dogma and nothing to offer in its place for anybody else to scrutinise. A pretty safe place to be eh? Fireproof even but also pointless.

Where's the beef?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jan, 2014 07:41 am
@JimmyJ,
Did you ever see any data on Hynerpeton? Its an Icthyostega wannabe from upper D from pa. There are several good fossil sites of this critter that I had sent to me by the state survey.
If you have any honors work or a senior thesis requirement and want to use the Devonian intermediates as a wealth of specimens, you don't have to go to Greenland or Elsmere Island. Pa sites and museums have some of the neatest specimens from just before and
just after the "great jump"
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jan, 2014 10:16 am
@JimmyJ,
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Get off your pedestal. You're a joke here lol. Nobody takes your incessant rambling seriously and all of the people here can clearly see what your goals are (to attempt to turn arguments upside down and show us that you are "intellectual").


Which is corny James. You might instead have said---

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Get off your pedestal spendi: it is much too large for the statue. You sound like you are getting ready to spend the summer in Tuscany hiking through the hills with Brian Sewell.


I might have felt insulted with that. It's shorter too. More precise. And it has some meaning which your pathetic insult hadn't because you didn't define, for "all the people here", what "incessant rambling" means. Nor what "clealy see" means.
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jan, 2014 10:36 am
@farmerman,
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Did you ever see any data on Hynerpeton?


My professor talked about it in my class but we never did any research on it.

Hopefully I won't ever have to do any of that haha I don't plan on any post-grad for Geology or evolutionary Biology.
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JimmyJ
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jan, 2014 10:38 am
@spendius,
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I might have felt insulted with that. It's shorter too. More precise. And it has some meaning which your pathetic insult hadn't because you didn't define, for "all the people here", what "incessant rambling" means. Nor what "clealy see" means.


Unlike you, I'm sure most of the people here either:
A. Know what it means already
or
B. Have the ability to look it up on Google.
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jan, 2014 10:40 am
@spendius,
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Where's the beef?


Only someone has numb-skulled as you would think that I don't want to read Spengler because I "can't".

And there is no replacement necessary. Human beings got on just fine before Catholicism and would/will do fine without it.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jan, 2014 10:54 am
@JimmyJ,
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Human beings got on just fine before Catholicism and would/will do fine without it.


I dare say that given the choice of returning to pre-Christian conditions and a large bottle of barbiturates, or even a sharp knife, the average American would choose the latter. I would.

Anthony Burgess was once invited by an inner group of faculty members of the English department at Duke to give a talk at one of their cocktail parties.

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At the end of the session the hippy lifestyle was extolled, and a woman said that we all ought to be hippies. Nonsense, I said, you cannot have parasitism without a host. I was then hipped and elbowed into a corner and clawed at.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 05:28 am
@JimmyJ,
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Unlike you, I'm sure most of the people here either:
A. Know what it means already
or
B. Have the ability to look it up on Google.


These "most people" you round up for your defence, without consulting them, probably do have their own meanings for those expressions you blithely trotted out. It is whether they are the same meanings you have that matters.

I can't see how Google is any use.
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 05:17 pm
@spendius,
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I can't see how Google is any use.


You really are a dinosaur, aren't you?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 05:57 pm
@JimmyJ,
At least they were alive. You're like a recorded, mechanically generated, message from the sponsors. A speaking clock that nobody could be arsed putting right.
 

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