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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 07:10 am
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

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I do not "believe" unicorns exist on Earth.

I also do not "believe" no unicorns exist on Earth.

I simply do not do believing.

If I were asked to guess (which you have not done) I would say that I guess there are none on Earth.

Unicorns are described as mythical beasts...fabled beasts...so based in part on that, although I have not been everywhere on this planet...I would guess there are no unicorns on Earth.

I am not sure how to provide evidence of a guess. I guess you will have to take my word for it.


More cop out.
Unwilling to accept that you contradicted yourself?

You "guess" that there are no unicorns on Earth? Well, I guess that gravity is 9.8 m/s^2. I guess that the Earth is spherical. I guess that the speed of light is 3.0e^8 meters/second.

It appears your definition of "guess" is incorrect.


Nothing wrong with my thoughts about the word "guess."

Jack of Hearts
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 11:26 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

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As a mathematician, Einstein was brilliant. That doesn't make him an authority on everything else.

Needs to be said some more.
A math equation can be beautiful ,elegant, dimensionally equivalent and all full of ****.
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Einstein was much more than a mathematician; he was a physicist, chemist, astrophysicist, and more. He was not a philosopher, still, he saw God in the nature of the universe (his specialty).
Nietzsche may have said ""Out of chaos comes order", but Einstein found order where others saw only chaos. He understood all he saw in existence was not coincidental, and didn't come about by happensense.

When people talk of Intelligent Design, what do they call it's source? All I'm saying here is Einstein called it God. (And always capitalized it.)
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Herald
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 01:23 pm
@farmerman,
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A math equation can be beautiful ,elegant, dimensionally equivalent and all full of ****.

FM, congratulations for your new majors: math logic & astronomy ... and astrophysics eventually.
Do you realize at all what you are saying here. You say that a formal model can be brilliant as logic without having any plausible interpretation in the real world. The formal model, however (the theory of General Relativity in this case) is representation of the real world and is derived from there, and if it is brilliant as representation how did you come to know that it might be **** ... as representation.
So and so you are already top expert in math logic and biology, why don't you tell us if the theory of evolution is grounded on a black box, when will you be able to prove that there could not be any ID in that black box?
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 03:50 pm
@Herald,
apparently you have not had any training in the sciences. Every physical science (and many biological) are heavily based upon advanced math so Im not impressed with your attempts at descantery.

You sound like you hve NO experience in the use of higher math in problem solution or modeling. math models are merely an algebraic solution of some series of complex differential equations or statistics.
The "Theories of Relativity" took may years before their math was found to parallel any semblance of truth . It didn't just automatically become a "Theory"

There were some very famous elegant solutions to surface chemistry and adsorption kinetics. Beautiful equations that were all crap until a guy discovered some constants tht were added.



Quote:
why don't you tell us if the theory of evolution is grounded on a black box, when will you be able to prove that there could not be any ID in that black box?


FINALLY, after all these pages of traduction and silliness, you've finally stated something that you feel is based upon evidence. I await your explanation and I hve apparently much to learn from you.

As far as my ed and experience, I also hold a degree in studio art. So, if you wish to feel the need to ridicule higher education at least get all my degrees listed (that pisses spendi off no end). I earned em, Im proud of the accomplishments, and they've been good source of my income and career highlights YOU LUDDITE ASSHOLE!
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 03:58 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

apparently you have not had any training in the sciences. Every physical science (and many biological) are heavily based upon advanced math so Im not impressed with your attempts at descantery.

You sound like you hve NO experience in the use of higher math in problem solution or modeling. math models are merely an algebraic solution of some series of complex differential equations or statistics.
The "Theories of Relativity" took may years before their math was found to parallel any semblance of truth . It didn't just automatically become a "Theory"

There were some very famous elegant solutions to surface chemistry and adsorption kinetics. Beautiful equations that were all crap until a guy discovered some constants tht were added.



Quote:
why don't you tell us if the theory of evolution is grounded on a black box, when will you be able to prove that there could not be any ID in that black box?


FINALLY, after all these pages of traduction and silliness, you've finally stated something that you feel is based upon evidence. I await your explanation and I hve apparently much to learn from you.

As far as my ed and experience, I also hold a degree in studio art. So, if you wish to feel the need to ridicule higher education at least get all my degrees listed (that pisses spendi off no end). I earned em, Im proud of the accomplishments, and they've been good source of my income and career highlights YOU LUDDITE ASSHOLE!


Wow...strong finish!
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 04:02 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Thank you Thank you. Im only here on the Thuursday supper show, so don't forget to help fill the hat
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 04:22 pm
@farmerman,
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(that pisses spendi off no end)


Not at all fm. It amuses me. To see you continually inserting little snippets which redound to your credit with the very people you are most contemptuous of, the credulous I mean, gets a guaranteed smirk at this end.

They are so common larding your prose that I suspect you might be a bit insecure about your position in the grand scheme of things.

As for "art" I suggest you fade it out.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 04:26 pm
@farmerman,
I have seen a few episodes of Artworld USA.
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Herald
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 11:59 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Im not impressed with your attempts at descantery.

Perhaps you mean without 's'. Does your profound knowledge in math logic include linguistics ... and spell-checking.

further wrote:
... math models are merely an algebraic solution of some ... statistics.

In our region this is called 'interpretation and analysis of statistical data'. And BTW the equations are the math model ... not the solutions.
And the solution of integrals is called integration ... not algebraic solution.

further wrote:
It didn't just automatically become a "Theory"

I didn't say that. I simply surmised that you are such 'algebraic' solver that you can provide expert opinion on a formal model ... without even trying to understand it on the first place.
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 01:17 am
@Frank Apisa,
A lot wrong with it, Frank.
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 01:19 am
@Herald,
That was weak, Herald. Attacking his spelling instead of responding to his argument?

Oh dear...
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 05:00 am
@Herald,
Quote:
des•cant (n. ˈdɛs kænt; v. dɛsˈkænt, dɪs-) also discant

n.
1.
a. a melody or counterpoint
2. a commentary upon a subject.
v.i.
3. to tediously discourse at great length


I don't need linguistics, just vocabulary. Obviously you've just learned a new word today.

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In our region this is called 'interpretation and analysis of statistical data'. And BTW the equations are the math model
. A math "model" is a "dynamic" solution of a series of governing field equations. When a model is produced it is produced for display by converting the field equations into either an ANALOG or a DIGITALformat. We don't do much analog anymore since computers allow us to convert the field equations into large dense algebraic solutions that show solutions wrt time and distance (by a process we call ITERATION).

Quote:

I didn't say that. I simply surmised that you are such 'algebraic' solver that you can provide expert opinion on a formal model ... without even trying to understand it on the first place.

But you did say that. You implied that a theory just "pops out" with nothing to justify it. It always has a reference to evidence that supports it or Future evidence that WILL support it. So please don't try to evade explaining your silly mistakes in logic.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 05:01 am
@JimmyJ,
Thank you. I do make a lot of typos, but in Heralds case, he just didn't know the word descant. I think he was thinking DECANT.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 05:07 am
I don't believe that "decantery" is a word in English. What would that be? The act of or the habitual practice of decanting? Inquiring minds want to know.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 05:08 am
Of course, Herald's English sucks, and always has. It's truly incredible, and hilarious, that he continually attempts to instruct native speakers of English in a language which he routinely butchers.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 05:10 am
@Setanta,
I engage in " wonton decantery with intents to infiltrate"
Lets see if he can pick it out

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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 05:12 am
There's a great little place here in town called The Noodle Bowl. Their stuffed wonton soup is fantastic.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 05:13 am
@Setanta,
do they cover em with poutine?
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 05:13 am
Wait . . . oh, oh, oh . . . i know. He was thinking of Decanter Berry Tales.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 05:14 am
@farmerman,
They be Thai . . . but poutine on the side would be a great idea.
 

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