Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

@JimmyJ,

JimmyJ wrote:

This will be the 4th or 5th time I've asked you (and I'm making the same point on the other thread with the flying noodle monster).

Do you believe unicorns exist on Earth?

I do not "believe" unicorns exist on Earth.

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@Frank Apisa,

And I think that was the first time you asked that question.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I do not "believe" unicorns exist on Earth.

Your evidence (same as the other thread)??

And if you truly think this is the first time I've asked you, you need to get your memory checked.

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@JimmyJ,

JimmyJ wrote:

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I do not "believe" unicorns exist on Earth.

Your evidence (same as the other thread)??

And if you truly think this is the first time I've asked you, you need to get your memory checked.

Previously you have asked about unicorns...without the "on Earth."

Stop trying to play games, Jimmy...you are not equipped for this.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Previously you have asked about unicorns...without the "on Earth."

Stop trying to play games, Jimmy...you are not equipped for this.

On Earth was implied.

You avoided the question... AGAIN!!

This is pathetic, old man.

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@JimmyJ,

JimmyJ wrote:

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Previously you have asked about unicorns...without the "on Earth."

Stop trying to play games, Jimmy...you are not equipped for this.

On Earth was implied.

Hey...be more careful. You are not going to get anywhere being as careless a poster as you are.

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You avoided the question... AGAIN!!

I answered the question that was asked.

If you want to re-phrase it...do so. If you want to just keep playing this game...I'm here for ya for as long as you want to play.

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This is pathetic, old man.

Yup...77 and still going strong. Think you are going to live that long?

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

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A lot of things in the living matter are too complex and too improbable to have happened by stochastic processes.

I think this is the key point you are trying to make, yet you don't provide any evidence to support this point. You just state it as an unsupported fact.

Since I don't accept this blindly as truth, the rest of your argument falls apart.

That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.
-Albert Einstein

I shall never believe that God plays dice with the world.
-Albert Einstein

One could argue with the greatest mind the world has ever known. Not me, but I'm sure there are a few out there.

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@Jack of Hearts,

Jack of Hearts wrote:

maxdancona wrote:

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A lot of things in the living matter are too complex and too improbable to have happened by stochastic processes.

I think this is the key point you are trying to make, yet you don't provide any evidence to support this point. You just state it as an unsupported fact.

Since I don't accept this blindly as truth, the rest of your argument falls apart.

That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.
-Albert Einstein

I shall never believe that God plays dice with the world.
-Albert Einstein

One could argue with the greatest mind the world has ever known. Not me, but I'm sure there are a few out there.

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."

Albert Einstein in a letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215; from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 2000, p. 216.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Hey...be more careful. You are not going to get anywhere being as careless a poster as you are.

My mistake. I gave you too much credit for deductive skills. It won't happen again.

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I answered the question that was asked.

If you want to re-phrase it...do so. If you want to just keep playing this game...I'm here for ya for as long as you want to play.

You answered nothing. You avoided it to avoid losing the argument.

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@Jack of Hearts,

I can find plenty of statements by Einstein that seem atheistic in nature. That doesn't make them true.

Newton believed in god also. He made many break throughs in Physics. He also believed in alchemy (attempting to turn other medals into gold). Does that mean we should start investing money in alchemy?

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@JimmyJ,

JimmyJ wrote:

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Hey...be more careful. You are not going to get anywhere being as careless a poster as you are.

My mistake. I gave you too much credit for deductive skills. It won't happen again.

I think you are making the opposite mistake, Jimmy.

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I answered the question that was asked.

If you want to re-phrase it...do so. If you want to just keep playing this game...I'm here for ya for as long as you want to play.

You answered nothing. You avoided it to avoid losing the argument.

I answered the question.

If you want to ask another question...do so.

Or keep pouting. I rather enjoy watching that. Wink

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@Frank Apisa,

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I think you are making the opposite mistake, Jimmy.

No, I am not.

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I answered the question.

If you want to ask another question...do so.

Or keep pouting. I rather enjoy watching that.

Do you or do you not believe unicorns exist on Earth? If not, provide your evidence.

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@Frank Apisa,

Touché. Upped by footnotes.
Einstein most probably died an agnostic.
Still, as I read all quotes, they IMO show that, regarding "Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe", Einstein sided more with ID and rejected a "Casino Universe".

Please, let me just say this - minds will change - and sometimes, will change again.

Strenuous intellectual work and the study of God's
Nature are the angels that will lead me through all
the troubles of this life with consolation, strength,
and uncompromising rigor.
To Pauline Winteler, mother of Einstein's girlfriend Marie, ca. May 1897.
The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, CPAE, Vol. 1

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As a mathematician, Einstein was brilliant. That doesn't make him an authority on everything else.

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@Jack of Hearts,

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A lot of things in the living matter are too complex and too improbable to have happened by stochastic processes.

AS Ive said since Herald started this thread EVOLUTION IS NOT A.STOCHASTOC PROCESS. It , because the number of traits are limted, is a deterministic process . EEVERY TIME a trait is selected FOR, that limits the number of subsequent traits that can be selected fom the "Tree of possibilities"

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One could argue with the greatest mind the world has ever known.

Youre easily impressed. What about Darwin, Newton, Feynman, Ehrlich,.

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@JimmyJ,

JimmyJ wrote:

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I think you are making the opposite mistake, Jimmy.

No, I am not.

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I answered the question.

If you want to ask another question...do so.

Or keep pouting. I rather enjoy watching that.

Do you or do you not believe unicorns exist on Earth? If not, provide your evidence.

I do not "believe" unicorns exist on Earth.

I also do not "believe" no unicorns exist on Earth.

I simply do not do believing.

If I were asked to guess (which you have not done) I would say that I guess there are none on Earth.

Unicorns are described as mythical beasts...fabled beasts...so based in part on that, although I have not been everywhere on this planet...I would guess there are no unicorns on Earth.

I am not sure how to provide evidence of a guess. I guess you will have to take my word for it.

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@Jack of Hearts,

[Einstein stated that he believed in god like that of Bruch SPinoza, IE a god which is "nature"

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Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being.

Einstein, a quote that he presented in a class at Princeton

In the Bhagavad Gita, Krisna says that :He is the dice game. Einstein reflected this to a response to NEil Bohr when he brought up the "no ply dice"
Bohr, who,was alo gnostic said tht
"You must stop telling god what to do"

you've gotta see what he really meant , not any traduction

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@edgarblythe,

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As a mathematician, Einstein was brilliant. That doesn't make him an authority on everything else.

Needs to be said some more.
A math equation can be beautiful ,elegant, dimensionally equivalent and all full of ****.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I do not "believe" unicorns exist on Earth.

I also do not "believe" no unicorns exist on Earth.

I simply do not do believing.

If I were asked to guess (which you have not done) I would say that I guess there are none on Earth.

Unicorns are described as mythical beasts...fabled beasts...so based in part on that, although I have not been everywhere on this planet...I would guess there are no unicorns on Earth.

I am not sure how to provide evidence of a guess. I guess you will have to take my word for it.

More cop out.
Unwilling to accept that you contradicted yourself?

You "guess" that there are no unicorns on Earth? Well, I guess that gravity is 9.8 m/s^2. I guess that the Earth is spherical. I guess that the speed of light is 3.0e^8 meters/second.

It appears your definition of "guess" is incorrect.

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@Jack of Hearts,

"Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached a conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true....Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience...an attitude which has never left me." -Albert Einstein

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