Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

@farmerman,

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I like that, sums it up nicely , except Id start with the concept that "Nature imposes its laws upon creation"

Isn't that as nonsensical as saying "I suppose the "Fatal error' was JE Portlock's own view." ? Nature was "created".

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@spendius,

now youre sounding like Apisa

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@farmerman,

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now youre sounding like Apisa

Why do you do that???

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@farmerman,

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now youre sounding like Apisa

Now you're sounding like a waffler.

"Fatal error" is no small idea. You do connect the results of scientific enquiry with the articles of religious belief. And a famous President of the Geological Society, and he was famous in other fields, said it is a "fatal error". An error leading to death in other words.

What do you think he meant? He must have been familiar with the Galileo incident.

An interesting think about the Major-General is that he had no children out of two wives. It might not have been infertility.

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@Frank Apisa,

when we argue format rather than substance, I always think of you and "What is is" or "If we had gods we could hve Intelligent Design". wherein you stay up nights thinking up these gems of wisdom.

I merely am giving credit to spendi for achieving Apisaness.

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@spendius,

Its a speech, its a phrase used for effect. You are easily impressed. I am not.

Since it was about DARWINS stance, he was not afraid of the subject. He was concerned about his association with Mr Chambers .

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An interesting think about the Major-General is that he had no children out of two wives. It might not have been infertility.

Perhaps, perhaps not. So what?

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@farmerman,

I achieved nothing of the sort. I quoted from a book you said you loved and asked you a question about it. Straight up and down the track ****.

Sneering is unbecoming in a gentleman of science. The moreso if it is simply deployed as a cover for being stumped.

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@farmerman,

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Its a speech, its a phrase used for effect. You are easily impressed. I am not.

Oh dear!! He didn't mean it eh? He was addressing members of the Geological Society as their leader.

Don't you think he might have felt that using emotive expressions "for effect" would have been an insult to the intelligence of the members.

Try again old boy.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

when we argue format rather than substance, I always think of you and "What is is" or "If we had gods we could hve Intelligent Design". wherein you stay up nights thinking up these gems of wisdom.

I merely am giving credit to spendi for achieving Apisaness.

Oh.

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@farmerman,

At post No.5,512,028 farmerman wrote:

If you have (classes in high school biology), you must have been asleep when the teacher discussed the CELL WALL of ARCHEA.

Unfortunately FM at Post No. 5,487,347 also wrote:

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I suggest you look up and read about: Pyrophosphates; pyrophosphorolysis; polymerization; AMP/ATP /ADP;
formation of these basic chemicals goes on all over the galxy. It actually is part of the exhaust gases of a diesel truck. IS MY DIESEL TRUCK A GOD?

The question is: Where is the Cell wall of Archea ... in the Diesel Truck of the FM ... and are we talking about one and the same subject?

At post No.5,488,410 farmerman wrote:

But I don't see any evidence of an INTELLIGENCE

Dear FM. Sir,
the vision disability and the missing evidence are your least problem ... for you don't even have a definition of Intelligence.

At post No.5,488,418 farmerman wrote:

First I admit that we don't really know about the appearance of first life. BUT, having aid that, science is quite close to have created an artificial cell from a chemical "soup" in n environment of combined platy minerals in a sterile methanogenic liquid media.

Perhaps under 'chemical "soup" in n environment of combined platy minerals' you mean the 'CELL WALL of ARCHEA'?

At post No.5,509,987 farmerman wrote:

Herald is gonna tell us all about Bio mechanical quantum supercomputers and what they can do to organic and inorganic matter.

With the greatest pleasure, but I am not sure whether you have the math culture to understand the formal model of quantum computing.

At post No.5,511,697 farmerman wrote:

May I suggest you read A KnollsLife on a Young Planet.

No, you may suggest only 1 reading on a blog ... and so far you have suggested 1001 ... at first approximation.

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@Herald,

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With the greatest pleasure, but I am not sure whether you have the math culture to understand the formal model of quantum computing

Give it a try, math has always been a fun subject . You seem to fall back on "math" as if , somehow it would be Kryptonite or something that would make me avert my eyes and cry in pain. Quite the contrary, my education was full of it , especially since math is a shorthand way to express equalities and changes of state and position through time.

Again, I tremble in anticipation .

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Herald always comes out with that snotty "you can't understand the math" bullsh*t when he gets cornered. This is the guy who said that when CO2 goes into the atmosphere, it just stays there, and that within a couple of centuries, the surface temperature of the earth will reach in excess of 2000 degrees centigrade--which is to say, five times the surface temperature of Venus. Oh yeah, this boy is a math wizard.

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@farmerman,

hes always been "threatening" us with his math prowess. Math is common to everything from biology to economics so he may be able to stand his ground (however, Ive seen his past contributions so Im not wagering anything large on that assumption)

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@Setanta,

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This is the guy who said that when CO2 goes into the atmosphere, it just stays there, and that within a couple of centuries,

That's another thing, hes unable to do the "math" involved in computing the ability of photosynthetic plants to strip CO2 from the atmosphere, (and the balancing that respiration accomplishes)

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Just watch the buggers jump all over Herald to hide their embarrassment.

Can't even speculate on what a past Pope of geology meant by "fatal error". It is the error which is at the core of thts argument.

Arguments from observations of non-human objects passing definitive judgement on articles of religion. And not daring to go all the way with materialism. Which is quite understandable.

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If i'm not mistaken, CO2 has dropped dramatically since the rise of photosynthesizing organisms. Apparently, Herald didn't get the memo. At any event, looking at a scale of millions of years, the CO2 content of the atmosphere has varied widely. It certainly doesn't go into the atmosphere and "just say there." Both of those incidents to which i referred were ones in which he got hit with an objection or rebuttal he couldn't deal with, so he sneered about doing the math, and then came out with an hysterically wild claim--i suspect that rhetorical panic is a common state of mind for him when he posts here.

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@farmerman,

Hey fm--I said the D&M were shafting Darwin and I assumed your not commenting on it was an indication of your contempt at such a beer-soaked idea.

Well--I just read a good example--(page 461).

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On 3 July he swore on the Bible to "Keep the Peace of one said Lady Queen in the said County, and to hear and determine divers felonies and also trespasses and other misdemeanours in the same County perpetrated. "

Those two snotty sods no doubt sneering suggestively added---

"Who could 'despise' an evolutionist who pledged himself thus.

Shaftings rarely come more underhanded than that. Reference the Malthus stuff in the other chapter I asked you to read.

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Roswell came out with a good one the other day, which he got from Sam Harris--scientific woo-woo. Herald relies heavily on scientific woo-woo. There's one of our mostly benign loons (although he does seem to be an admirer of the Naxis) who showed up the other day after a long hiatus, and he babbled out some nonsense, which he ended by refering to "quantum entanglement." So i wrote: "Oh yeah . . . quantum entanglement . . . why didn't someone else think of that." Roswell came back and wrote: "See, scientific woo-woo . . . it's everywhere!"

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@Setanta,

Im gonna use that.

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@spendius,

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Can't even speculate on what a past Pope of geology meant by "fatal error

He was hardly even a notable geologist of the age, let alone popish.
As far as speculation, that what you're here for. Sometime you even come up with something worth considering.

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