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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2015 09:34 pm
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

FBM wrote:
You're pretending that it's yours and you didn't cite the source. Plagiarism.
     When you claim something - perhaps you will have to prove it. Why don't you find out the source from where it is supposed to have been plagiarized. You simply can't bare the fact there may exist people that might have their own streaming of reasoning and are not citing all the time unprocessed, irrelevant, and inappropriate quotes, made on some other occasions, irrelevant to the discussion.


Notice how you go from broken English to fluency in that post, then back to broken English again. I just "bared" your deep-seated intellectual dishonesty. Again. You've still got nothing but logical fallacies, motivated reasoning, evasion and hand-waving. Until you can present some evidence for your "personal 45% god/ILF-of-the-gaps," the score remains:


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Herald
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2015 10:28 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
Plagiarism.
     If you are curious to know the Big Bang 'theory' is the greatest plagiarism on all indicators and for any age. It has plagiarized implicitly (not without citing, but without even mentioning this explicitly) the idea of omnipresence from the Church ... and assigned it to the Big Bang Itself; it has plagiarized the idea of the omnipotence from the religion and assigned it to the Big Bang; it has plagiarized the idea of omniscience from God and assigned it to the Science. Not to mention that it has plagiarized the idea of the Creation itself. The Big Bang assumes axiomatically (by plagiarizing that unscrupulously from the Church) that the Universe has been Created - and this is its fatal system error. In the capacity of presenting itself as Science the Big Bang should have investigated all the plausible hypothesis, as anything that is presenting itself as Science, would do. Instead of that it skips the main problem of whether or not the Universe has been created and starts dealing with how. Hence the whole process of organised plagiarism by Science has an objective not to find the truth about us and our origin and our world, but to put the Science in the place of the Church, to replace the Church as a social factor and to place Science at the launching site for money and power.
FBM wrote:
Notice how you go from broken English to fluency in that post, then back to broken English again.
     Which one is the broken English and which one is the fluency. If you mean the math language to be the fluency - it is another style of English. You should not be afraid of broken English, for you are hardly using any English at all ... when you jump from broken quotes to fluent rare hits and then back to broken videos.
FBM wrote:
I just "bared" your deep-seated intellectual dishonesty.
     Quoting other people without their knowledge and consent could hardly be viewed as any intellectual honesty. Anyway.
FBM wrote:
Again. You've still got nothing but logical fallacies, motivated reasoning, evasion and hand-waving.
   What about you - what do you have? You still have got nothing but irrelevant quotes, unjustified claims, misinterpretations of any kind, and fake references ... and I forgot - you have also several straw-men from which you cannot separate.
FBM wrote:
Until you can present some evidence for your "personal 45% god/ILF-of-the-gaps,"
     I am not obliged to present anything in support of your strawmanish 'god-of-the-gaps' structures. You have to present a brilliant collection of pieces of evidence that everything I may have said about the absolute inability of the Big Bang 'theory' to take out the Information that it will need for the creation of the structures of the Universe out of wherever is based on God-of-the-Gaps reasoning and could not be derived in any other way.
FBM wrote:
the score remains: 4:0
     When and if you succeed to explain it with some plausible justification - until then and not before it may remain only as a hat of your straw-man, as it actually is.
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2015 10:43 pm
@Herald,
Wow. I gave you a dictionary definition and you still can't comprehend it. Amazing how denialism can take over one's entire thought processes.

Quote:
WHAT IS PLAGIARISM?

Many people think of plagiarism as copying another's work or borrowing someone else's original ideas. But terms like "copying" and "borrowing" can disguise the seriousness of the offense:

ACCORDING TO THE MERRIAM-WEBSTER ONLINE DICTIONARY, TO "PLAGIARIZE" MEANS

to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own
to use (another's production) without crediting the source
to commit literary theft
to present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source
In other words, plagiarism is an act of fraud. It involves both stealing someone else's work and lying about it afterward.


BUT CAN WORDS AND IDEAS REALLY BE STOLEN?

According to U.S. law, the answer is yes. The expression of original ideas is considered intellectual property and is protected by copyright laws, just like original inventions. Almost all forms of expression fall under copyright protection as long as they are recorded in some way (such as a book or a computer file).

ALL OF THE FOLLOWING ARE CONSIDERED PLAGIARISM:

turning in someone else's work as your own
copying words or ideas from someone else without giving credit
failing to put a quotation in quotation marks
giving incorrect information about the source of a quotation
changing words but copying the sentence structure of a source without giving credit
copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not (see our section on "fair use" rules)
Most cases of plagiarism can be avoided, however, by citing sources.
Simply acknowledging that certain material has been borrowed and providing your audience with the information necessary to find that source is usually enough to prevent plagiarism. See our section on citation for more information on how to cite sources properly.


http://www.plagiarism.org/plagiarism-101/what-is-plagiarism/

Notice how I always cite sources? That's intellectual honesty. Not doing so and pretending that someone else's work is yours intellectual dishonesty. Come clean, Herod. You're not helping your cause by employing such dishonest tactics alongside your endless repetition of logical fallacies.


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FBM
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2015 11:58 pm
You should be ashamed, Herod.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/10402435_778518815567863_4406281861469001548_n.jpg
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 12:53 am
@FBM,
yes indeed! START THINKING!!
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 01:04 am
@Quehoniaomath,
It's not really thinking when you mindlessly repeat patently false conspiracy theories and try to pretend that somehow it constitutes "research"
. It doesn't.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 06:55 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

You should be ashamed, Herod.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/10402435_778518815567863_4406281861469001548_n.jpg


Kinda related to my sig line.

Too bad more people here in A2K don't pay attention to that part about "...we're not afraid to admit we don't know."
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 09:29 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Too bad more people here in A2K don't pay attention to that part about "...we're not afraid to admit we don't know."

I get the sense that you suffer from the opposite predicament, Frank: you are afraid to admit that you know, and you don't like it when others say they know.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 09:36 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
Too bad more people here in A2K don't pay attention to that part about "...we're not afraid to admit we don't know."

I get the sense that you suffer from the opposite predicament, Frank: you are afraid to admit that you know, and you don't like it when others say they know.


I don't think you do, Olivier. I think you thought that was a clever thing to say...so you said it.

I am saying I do not know the true nature of the REALITY of existence.

Are you actually saying that you do...and that you know I do also?

C'mon.

It was a cute thought...but worthless.
Herald
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 11:11 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
It's not really thinking when you mindlessly repeat patently false conspiracy theories
     Just a second, FBM accuses me of plagiarism, claiming that he has always known the things I am saying, and you are accusing me of conspiracy theory - of some imaginary constructs without any background in the reality. The two theses are in absolute contradiction with each other and cannot exist simultaneously. Why don't you both with FBM agree on some consistent accusation.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 11:16 am
@Herald,
Because you don't understand the math and don't have any of your own therefore you assume that you are more knowledgeable.
And yet you pretended you had math that proved the math for the standard model is wrong. Why did you have to pretend that if you are so correct? Why not just give us your mathematical proof that disproves what you say is wrong?
Herald
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 11:17 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
You should be ashamed, Herod.
... of what? BTW the score is 4 : [ten trillion trillion ... tera-degrees Kelvin] in my benefit.
Herald
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 11:22 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
Because you don't understand the math and don't have any of your own.
     Here the math is only representation, the real model is physics, in the real world ... if you haven't paid attention.
    BTW you cannot write any math until you explain how will you launch the Time in order to set in operation the whole construct.
Herald
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 11:26 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
And yet you pretended you had math that proved the math for the standard model is wrong.
     The Standard Model does not have any math. All it has are partial math inferences leading to pieces of a puzzle that don't match. If you can call that a math.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 11:30 am
@Herald,
parados doens't understand that math can make you move very far from physical reality! Neither do most 'scientists'! Wink

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parados
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 11:42 am
@Herald,
Quote:
Here the math is only representation, the real model is physics, in the real world ... if you haven't paid attention.

Of course I've paid attention. The math has predicted things that have been found in the real world after the math predicted them. You seem to keep back tracking and ignoring the real world. You certainly haven't been able to defend your claims.
Herald
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 08:33 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
The math has predicted things that have been found in the real world after the math predicted them.
     The math of which sciences - in any case it is not the math of the Cosmology, for the claims of the Cosmology have always been in contradiction with any math ... and hardly have ever had any consistent math model at all.
parados wrote:
You seem to keep back tracking and ignoring the real world.
     Which part of the real world is explained by the claims of the QMs that a photon can be both here and on the other side of the Universe at one and the same time? Following this logic there must have been an exact copy of the Big Bang 'theory' on the other side of the Hyperspace (if exists). What happened with your math of Time, BTW? Do you have the math representation of Time ... for the purposes of the Big Bang 'theory'?
parados wrote:
You certainly haven't been able to defend your claims.
     I at least have some claims, for some other people hardly have had any of the kind at all.
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 08:53 pm
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

FBM wrote:
You should be ashamed, Herod.
... of what? BTW the score is 4 : [ten trillion trillion ... tera-degrees Kelvin] in my benefit.


Ashamed of stealing others' work and pretending that it's yours.

Your score can be lifted from 0 only when your god/ILF/something else/something other hypothesis gets some work done. So far, you've got zilch.

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FBM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 09:32 pm
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

parados wrote:
And yet you pretended you had math that proved the math for the standard model is wrong.
     The Standard Model does not have any math. All it has are partial math inferences leading to pieces of a puzzle that don't match. If you can call that a math.



I remember a while back teaching you that scientists these days use the metric system. Why am I not surprised that you don't understand the basic concept of math? Do you suppose that scientists arrived at the Standard Model via some esoteric revelation from a "45% god-ILF-of the gaps"? How about you show a little evidence in support of that claim? Laughing

http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w561/hapkido1996/StandardModelLagrangianfall2010_zps410b714c.jpg
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Feb, 2015 09:39 pm
@Herald,
Basic google-fu yields: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model_(mathematical_formulation)

Quote:
Standard Model (mathematical formulation)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Standard Model of Physics


For a less mathematical description, see Standard Model.
This article describes the mathematics of the Standard Model of particle physics, a gauge quantum field theory containing the internal symmetries of the unitary product group SU(3) × SU(2) × U(1). The theory is commonly viewed as containing the fundamental set of particles – the leptons, quarks, gauge bosons and the Higgs particle.
The Standard Model is renormalizable and mathematically self-consistent,[1] however despite having huge and continued successes in providing experimental predictions it does leave some unexplained phenomena. In particular, although the physics of special relativity is incorporated, general relativity is not, and the Standard Model will fail at energies or distances where the graviton is expected to emerge. Therefore in a modern field theory context, it is seen as an effective field theory.
This article requires some background in physics and mathematics, but is designed as both an introduction and a reference.
...
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