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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Science denialism: The problem that just won’t go away

You are continuously falling and teared into self-contradictions. On one part you publish some fake references to some fake video, providing top-design methodological instructions of how to avoid extreme claims for they are sure sign of forgery of the things, and on the other side you publish some other fake references to some other fake statements, claiming extremes - science denialism - & making mind-blowing generalizations on the basis of one example only. How does that happen?

FBM wrote:

Human organs can be 3-D printed

This is next fable for idiots - the modern medical science cannot fix elementary diseases like diabetes and multiple sclerosis, that have poisoned the lives of humans for ages, but will start producing 3-D human organs - collection series, limited edition, for science connoisseurs only. If is does not fix the metabolic causes for the failure of the organ in the first place - even it succeeds to print out 4D human organs - it doesn't matter - the new failure is inevitable.

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@Herald,

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

You may be f'cking around with the things, by the speculation in the sense of contemplation, assumption, suggestion, presumptions and hypothesis is absolutely legitimate and valid method for verification of plausibility of theories and assumptions, and for providing justification - the one that is called reasonable ground to believe.

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@Herald,

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@Herald,

It's called rocking-chair science. Pull something out of your ass without needing to provided evidence for its facticity. Got that call from the Nobel Committee yet? Wondering why?

a) It's a conspiracy!
b) Your ideas are ****.

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@FBM,

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY, MATE?????

OR STOP YOUR BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

This is next fable for idiots - the modern medical science cannot fix elementary diseases like diabetes and multiple sclerosis, that have poisoned the lives of humans for ages, but will start producing 3-D human organs - collection series, limited edition, for science connoisseurs only. If is does not fix the metabolic causes for the failure of the organ in the first place - even it succeeds to print out 4D human organs - it doesn't matter - the new failure is inevitable.

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@Herald,

So now you are going to argue that the standard model has nothing to do with the Big Bang? Care to present some evidence to support that claim?

This says that the standard model is the math for the Big Bang:

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Extrapolation of the expansion of the Universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past.[13] This singularity signals the breakdown of general relativity.

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@FBM,

RE: the Scientology
So and so you are fan of scientology, why don't you write down explicitly your personal beliefs on the theme.
'Scientology teaches that people are immortal beings who have forgotten their true nature.'
...and what does Science say on the issue? (we are not talking about the Big Bang 'theory', for the Big Bang is hardly and science at all). Can the human species as a whole become immortal ... or at least to exist so long that we don't bother about 'the end of the world'? The other issues are also interesting: Have we ever known 'our true nature' and our origin ... and are we able/allowed/at a level to ever get knowing that?
If you are curious to know the 'Church' of Scientology is not very much different from the Associations and Societies on Cosmology in terms of the major indicators: irresponsibility of the statements and lack of justification.

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

FBM wrote:
Which breaks down into something like this:
45% goes to either:
a) God
b) meta-intelligence
c) String Theory
d) s.th. (?)
     So what - if it is not the Big Bang, and if it is not another ILF it must be something else, and this something else might be God/meta-intelligence/String Theory/ or s.th. (?) - that is not yet discovered or considered seriously - what in particular is your problem? Without the assumptions the things look like that - when and if you succeed to find the assumptions the things might be changed.

FBM wrote:
I recommend you choose one before pursuing this 45% any further.
     Why? Why should I choose among things that are not well studied yet - incl God, for God is not studied seriously in terms of what has happened actually, but rather the Word of God (which by itself is interpretation) is interpreted further to infinity by verious commercial people on the TV.

FBM wrote:
How is this distinct from the "meta-intelligence" in the 45% answers
     'Meta' is beyond (the known and perceivable intelligence) - the unknown part of the Intelligence.

FBM wrote:
Can't have it both ways.
     But you don't know how it is done either - so what is the problem.

FBM wrote:
Math doesn't work like that.
     The Math for a Chat is at that level - this site is not for applied math and the theme is not directly related to formal models - if it was not the fase construct of the Big Bang 'theory' this issue would not be discussed here at all.
     Besides that there are various branches of Applied Math, Cognitive Science, and Information Science - there is no way for you to know (and to use them) all - let alone to comment them casually and to pronounce on their ligitimacy of use.
     Why don't you show us how exactly 'math works' - by the conceptualization and assigning truth values to the assumptions of the Big Bang 'theory', for example. Your 'math' is even worse - you assume a priory & without any reasonable ground that it is either God or the Big Bang 'theory' who/that have 'created' the Universe (which might have always existed), and you are thinking that if you destroy the hypothesis of God (with aggression, cheating, misrepresentation, irrelevant references, etc.) the fake theory of the Big Bang will automatically become somehow No.1 truth of the last resort ... and you call this Applied Math - WFM.

So which is it? The 45% a) b) c) d), 30% that, perhaps 25% the other, or 50:50?

Score is still 4:0.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

So now you are going to argue that the standard model has nothing to do with the Big Bang? Care to present some evidence to support that claim?

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The Standard Model of particle physics is a theory concerning the electromagnetic, weak, and strong nuclear interactions, as well as classifying all the subatomic particles known.

Where do you see any Big Bang here. Actually the Big Bang has self-proclaimed itself to be everywhere - in this very moment it is expanding even your laptop ... with acceleration, if you haven't noticed.
Nothing in the Big Bang 'theory' is based on the (totally missing by the time being) elementary particles. When and if the Big Bang explains which is the material carrier of the temperature of the Singularity - 1.54.10^42deg.K within a space of 3.10^-11, I may reconsider the beliefs that it is presenting as axiomatic truth of the last resort.

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

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FBM wrote:
Scientology! I knew it!
I am not claiming that this is the case, but actually this is validly plausible hypothesis, ...

Let's have a look at this "validly plausible hypothesis," shall we?

Anyone who would characterize that as "validly plausible" is in need of professional intervention.

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

...This is next fable for idiots - the modern medical science cannot fix elementary diseases like diabetes and multiple sclerosis, that have poisoned the lives of humans for ages, but will start producing 3-D human organs - collection series, limited edition, for science connoisseurs only. If is does not fix the metabolic causes for the failure of the organ in the first place - even it succeeds to print out 4D human organs - it doesn't matter - the new failure is inevitable.

Cherry-picking again. Modern medicine has saved uncountable millions of lives. Let's hear about the unbroken history of medical successes for faith healing, alien interventions, etc.

With that statement of yours above, you have confirmed that you are a danger to society. Your denialism now clearly extends beyond cosmology or religion and includes the denialism of modern medicine. The denialism that you promote is the same denialism used by those parents who try to pray their kids back to health instead of taking them to a doctor. The same denialism that promotes homeopathy, crystal healing and other quack ideas that wind up costing people their health and even their lives. The same denialism that pretends that global warming isn't happening.

The same denialism that I will continue to resist.

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@FBM,

Herald has got to be one of the biggest deniers on a2k, and totally ignorant about science and technology.
I have spent the past two weeks in the hospital because my kidney completely shut down. This hospital is assisting with the recovery of my kidneys, and although the progress is slow - always showing amazing improvements. For anyone who has been bed ridden for over two weeks know how difficult that is on a 79 year old, but all the healthcare workers are top notch, and so are the medical sciences and the people who have chosen this career field.
Your negative attitude is based solely on being ignorant.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Herald has got to be one of the biggest deniers on a2k, and totally ignorant about science and technology.

Yeah, try as he may to disguise that fact. Wink

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I have spent the past two weeks in the hospital because my kidney completely shut down. This hospital is assisting with the recovery of my kidneys, and although the progress is slow - always showing amazing improvements. For anyone who has been bed ridden for over two weeks know how difficult that is on a 79 year old, but all the healthcare workers are top notch, and so are the medical sciences and the people who have chosen this career field.

I've been keeping tabs on your thread about it. It's good to hear that you landed in a place with such competent professionals. Herald would probably have witch doctors chanting and reading chicken entrails over you. Or maybe crystals or homeopathy or something.

Incidentally, I just had a relatively minor surgery about 3 weeks ago (5 days, 4 nights in-hospital) and was also very appreciative of the up-t0-date techniques and professional quality of care that I experienced. On my way out on the last day, I spent about 25 bucks on chocolates, went back and left them at the nurses' station with a thank-you note. Modern medicine rocks.

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Your negative attitude is based solely on being ignorant.

I have a feeling that that was for Herald, not me...

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@Herald,

You don't make any sense at all. The Big Bang best explains what we have now. Where is your theory that shows the Big Bang is not the best explanation?

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