Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

parados wrote:

Boy, you really do love to throw out logical fallacies. Why are the odds 50:50? Just because there are 2 choices?

     The odds are 50:50, because the choices are two AND you cannot prove anything in favor of any of them. To both of them you don't know anything, hence you cannot change it in one way or another and the best approximation in that case id 50:50.

Index to Creationist Claims,
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Claim CA510:

Creation and evolution are the only two models of origins.
Source:

Morris, Henry M. 1985. Scientific Creationism. Green Forest, AR: Master Books, pp. 3, 8-10.
Response:

There are many mutually exclusive models of creation. Biblical creationism alone includes geocentrism, young-earth creationism, day-age creationism, progressive creationism, intelligent design creationism, and more. And then there are hundreds of very different varieties of creation from other religions and cultures. Some of the harshest criticism of creation models comes from creationists who believe other models.

Many noncreationist alternatives to Darwinian evolution, or significant parts of it, are possible and have received serious attention in the past. These include, among others,
orthogenesis
neo-Lamarckianism
process structuralism
saltationism
(See Wilkins 1998 below for elaboration.)

Creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive. They coexist in models such as theistic evolution.
Links:

Isaak, Mark. 2000. What is creationism? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wic.html

Wilkins, John. 1998. So you want to be an anti-Darwinian: Varieties of opposition to Darwinism. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/anti-darwin.html
Further Reading:

Kossy, Donna. 2001. Strange Creations: Aberrant Ideas of Human Origins from Ancient Astronauts to Aquatic Apes. Los Angeles: Feral House.

Published on Sep 20, 2012
Professor Lawrence Krauss and Professor Michio Kaku explain the physics behind the events in the first second of The Big Bang, events which range from the first fractions of a second after creation: The Plank Era; The field symmetry breaking; formation of elementary particles; Matter-antimatter annihilation (explained by Dr. Tara Shears); Formation of atoms and the last scattering of photons which make up the Cosmic Microwave Background (Explained by Dr. David N. Spergel) to the billions of years of stellar evolution: the formation of stars and Galaxies which developed the visible universe as seen today.

Using High Energy Particle Accelerators and Observational and Theoretical Astrophysics, scientists are able to recreate the first few fractions of a second after the Big Bang, to the point of symmetry breaking, and in conjunction by using space and earth-based observatories observe the remnants of the Big Bang itself using powerful analysis of the CMB by the WMAP and Planck Spacecraft combined with the modelling of the large scale structure of the universe as done by The Sloan Digital Sky Survey..

The Initial Conditions of the Universe are still a mystery and debate has gone on recently to whether or not there were even any initial conditions at all, maybe universe can form from no initial conditions in standard space-time and that the very fabric of space, curled up in perhaps infinite dimensions creates an infinite set of paths for scalar fields to branch off of and interfere to create the flow of energy from the initial big bang.

Such a theory is predicted by M-Theory, which gives the Multiverse picture of curved Space-Time in 11 Dimensions which, through quantum mechanics, create many scalar fields that couple at different strengths in each universe creating a different set of physical laws in each universe.
Not all universes could be suitable for life, each universe seems to have the Planck Constant encoded into it, as it is the Uncertainty Principle and the Sum over Histories that lead to the Multiverse picture in the first place, however the coupling strengths of gravity and electromagnetism are completely arbitrary in this view.

In some of these Universes, Electromagnetism could be very strongly coupled in certain schemes meaning that basic chemistry would not arise in some universes. In other Universes the Strong Nuclear force may be too weak to give sufficient binding energy to atomic nuclei, making fusion impossible. In other Universes, Gravity may be coupled far more strongly, creating a Universe of Galaxy Cluster-sized black holes. Other Universes still may be composed of nothing but vacuum energy.

Hence we must be living in a Universe suitable for life as we are here observing it, that is the nature of The Anthropic Principle which is used to answer the question, "why is the universe the way it is?" However, the true meaning of the answer comes from Theoretical Physics and M-Theory: The Universe need not be suitable for life, our one just happens to be.

New Map Of Galaxy's 'Mysterious Molecules' May Help Solve Old Cosmic Puzzle
The Huffington Post | By Macrina Cooper-White
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Posted: 01/14/2015 9:10 am EST Updated: 01/14/2015 10:59 am EST

Scientists may be one step closer to solving a cosmic puzzle that's had astronomers scratching their heads for nearly a century.

It all started in 1922, when American astronomer Mary Lea Heger noticed that certain wavelengths were consistently absent in the light emitted by binary star systems in the constellations Orion and Scorpius. Since then, other scientists have identified many more of these "diffuse interstellar bands."

Subsequent research showed that something in interstellar space was absorbing the missing wavelengths before they reached Earth. Evidence pointed to various complex molecules scattered across the Milky Way, though astronomers have been unable to determine exactly what they are.

Now, two teams of scientists from Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore have created a map that shows where in our galaxy the mysterious molecules are located.

The researchers hope this map--created with the help of new data-processing techniques--will finally make it possible to analyze the composition and properties of the molecules.

"For the first time, we can see how these mysterious molecules are moving around the galaxy," Dr. Gail Zasowski, a post-doctoral researcher at the university and one of the astronomers behind the new research, said in a written statement. "This is extremely useful and brings in new connections between these molecules and the dynamics of the Milky Way."

For the research, a team led by Zasowki analyzed infrared data from more than 60,000 stars in the densest parts of our galaxy. Another team, led by graduate student Ting-Wen Lan, looked at visible light from more than half a million stars, galaxies, and quasars.

If that sounds like a lot of data to pore over, it is.

“The era of Big Data in astronomy allows us to look at the universe in new ways," Dr. Brice Ménard, a professor of physics and astronomy at the university and a member of both teams, said in the statement. "There is so much to explore with these large datasets. This is just the beginning.”

The map was unveiled in Seattle last week at the 225th meeting of the American Astronomical Society.

parados wrote:

Boy, you really do love to throw out logical fallacies. Why are the odds 50:50? Just because there are 2 choices?

     The odds are 50:50, because the choices are two AND you cannot prove anything in favor of any of them. To both of them you don't know anything, hence you cannot change it in one way or another and the best approximation in that case id 50:50.

A dictionary can probably tell you the difference between "nowhere" and "nothing."

And if you knew more about English idioms, you'd know that "from nowhere" and "out of nowhere" are synonyms for "suddenly," "surprisingly," "unexpectedly," etc.

And if you'd been paying attention to what you've been taught in this very thread, you would already be aware of the zero-energy universe hypothesis.

But this is just more god/ILF-of-the-gaps fallacy, anyway.

What can your god/ILF-of-the-gaps hypothesis explain or predict?

The score remains 4:0. No rational person would jump in on the losing side...out of nowhere...

And there we have it folks. Herald proving how stupid he is.
Let's take something else that has 2 choices. If I throw a coin in the air it can land on a side or an edge. Do you think the odds are 50:50 that a coin can land on it's edge?

FBM wrote:

A dictionary can probably tell you the difference between "nowhere" and "nothing."

     This is a general creation theory and it should not rely on definitions from a dictionary.

     Now you will have to prove that Nowhere can exist ... without the Time component; that Nowhere can have heat capacity - very huge; and that the Singularity can appear/exist/come or whatever out of Nowhere.

This is not a fable - to use metaphors and idioms. Actually I am not entirely sure any more.

'Suddenly' - O.K., but nobody here is interested whether it is suddenly, or gradually for a period of several billion years ... and you cannot launch the Time component with an idiom ... in a physical theory. WFM

... what about the law for conservation of energy. How do you conserve the zero-energy hypothesis into the energy of the newly formed Universe?

Around people like you and the lecturers of your video references I may start believing in all Gods ever existed. Your 'theory' is falling apart like a house of cards.

It can explain for example that the Universe has always existed and the ILF before us (that might have been long extinct by now) after exhausting the resources of their planet to ground zero started looking for a place in the Universe where to continue their species/life/intelligence/knowledge of their civillization etc. They found the Earth as appropriate for developing a biosphere, send here the cyanobacteria to fix the atmosphere of the planet and supply it with potential to maintain life, send by teleportation some of their bio-robots (the wild animals); some of their medications (the herbs); some of their vehicles - horses and camels; some of their tools to maintain bio-equilibrium (bacteria, Candida); and in the end have sent themselves - us, or what comes out as a result of the teleportation. The bio-code is most probably unversal and adjustable to the planet - if we send our biocode to Jupiter - we will be there six times heavier, but will feel comfortable again.
     We have no much time left to decode what has happened, for very soon (sooner than expected) we, the humans, may be faced here down on the Earth to the same problem.

You cannot assess yourself in that way...[blah blah blah]

Learn English if you're going to attempt to communicate in it.

The Standard Model describes space-time as a continuum.

Metaphors, idioms, slang, analogies, etc, are used in every language.

Seriously. Think about what you just said.

Pay attention, please. This has been explained to you before in this very thread.

Scientology! I knew it!

Who is Xenu?

I’m going to tell you a story. Are you sitting comfortably? Right, then I’ll begin.

Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack.


Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were over-populated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan.

Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers).

These DC8 space planes then flew to planet Earth where the paralysed people were stacked around the bases of volcanoes in their hundreds of billions. When they had finished stacking them around then H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes. Xenu then detonated all the H-bombs at the same time and everyone was killed.

The story doesn’t end there though. Since everyone has a soul (called a “thetan” in this story) then you have to trick souls into not coming back again. So while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by the nuclear winds he had special electronic traps that caught all the souls in electronic beams (the electronic beams were sticky like fly-paper).

After he had captured all these souls he had them packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas. There all the souls had to spend days watching special 3D motion pictures that told them what life should be like and many confusing things. In this film they were shown false pictures and told they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story this process is called “implanting”.

When the films ended and the souls left the cinema these souls started to stick together because since they had all seen the same film they thought they were the same people. They clustered in groups of a few thousand. Now because there were only a few living bodies left they stayed as clusters and inhabited these bodies.

As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and they locked him away in a mountain on one of the planets. He is kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery and Xenu is still alive today.

That is the end of the story. And so today everyone is full of these clusters of souls called “body thetans”. And if we are to be a free soul then we have to remove all these “body thetans” and pay lots of money to do so. And the only reason people believe in God and Christ was because it was in the film their body thetans saw 75 million years ago.

Well what did you think of that story?

What? You thought it was a stupid story?

Well so do we. Unfortunately this stupid story is the core belief in the religion known as Scientology.* If people knew about this story then most people would never get involved in it. This story is told to you when you reach one of their secret levels called OT III. After that you are supposed to telepathically communicate with these body thetans to make them go away. You have to pay a lot of money to get to this level and do this (or you have to work very hard for the organisation on extremely low pay for many years).

We are telling you this story as a warning. If you become involved with Scientology then we would like you to do so with your eyes open and fully aware of the sort of material it contains.


Most of the Scientologists that work in their Dianetics* centres and so called “Churches” of Scientology do not know this story since they are not allowed to hear it until they reach the secret “upper” levels of Scientology. It may take them many years before they reach this level if they ever do. The ones who do know it are forced to keep it a secret and not tell it to those people who are joining Scientology.

Part of the first page of the secret OT III document in L. Ron Hubbard’s own handwriting.

www.xenu.net

Now you have read this you know their big secret. Don’t let us put you off joining though.





* Dianetics and Scientology are trademarks of the Religious Technology

... and why don't you learn math logic before start presenting yourself on the net as a top scientist of seventh star magnitude

... my personal are 45% God or some meta-intelligence (string theory or s.th.); 30% another ILF, sending the designs on the Earth even through some form of teleportation or another form of encoded communication (it might have extinct already by the time the information has came here), and perhaps 25% of the Big Bang and the theory that we are made out of star dust (whatever this might mean) and fused with the time by the Dark Energy and Dark Matter.
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