Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

@Setanta,

I was of the same attitude with regards to losing interest for a long time. Then I started thinking about the connection between this sub-culture of fanatical denialism and the persistence of faith healing parents letting their kids die. Legally, I might add. There are laws protecting them, fer chrissakes. For the time being, at least, I'm feeling motivated to fight it. This sort of thinking is the fertilizer for the whacked-out parents and the churches that produce them.

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@FBM,

Any special traditions wrt to calendar New Year celebration there or do you guys celebrate the Lunar year?
Its getting to be after 10PM in Seoul No?

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@FBM,

Yes indeed. Delusional ignorance is a danger to humanity; probably its greatest danger. And people who know better should speak up more often.

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@Herald,

It can be completely wrong when it is based on simple conjecture and current evidence clearly rejects it.

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@Herald,

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Why isn't the light reflected from the edge of the Universe?

Ok. What evidence do you have that light isn't reflected from the edge of the Universe?

I'll give you a hint. You have no evidence of it not being reflected. You are hypothesizing about something that you don't even know if it is true or not.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Any special traditions wrt to calendar New Year celebration there or do you guys celebrate the Lunar year?
Its getting to be after 10PM in Seoul No?

Pretty much every Korean celebration involves the same things: eating grilled pork and drinking soju until somebody's crawling. I missed out on that because I'm still in the hospital, but I did have a surprise visitor, so that worked out pretty well.

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@rosborne979,

rosborne979 wrote:

Yes indeed. Delusional ignorance is a danger to humanity; probably its greatest danger. And people who know better should speak up more often.

I'm glad you agree. I'm not normally interested in other people's private thoughts or beliefs, but the extreme that this scientific denialist is going to convinces me that he's a part of the problem for promoting it so fervently and ignorantly. Someone who is that deep into it could very well be one of those praying while his kid is dying of something treatable. I'm not accusing him of that; just saying that it seems to be on the same level. It's rare for me to engage somebody so desperate to cling to his ignorant world-view and worse, try to spread it.

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@FBM,

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I'm glad you agree. I'm not normally interested in other people's private thoughts or beliefs, but the extreme that this scientific denialist is going to convinces me that he's a part of the problem for promoting it so fervently and ignorantly. Someone who is that deep into it could very well be one of those praying while his kid is dying of something treatable. I'm not accusing him of that; just saying that it seems to be on the same level. It's rare for me to engage somebody so desperate to cling to his ignorant world-view and worse, try to spread it.

Yeah and you probably vccine your kids, rink fluoride and eat aspartame and msg. well, why do you depend so much on a faulty system?
Really dude?!

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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Why isn't the light reflected from the edge of the Universe?
Ok. What evidence do you have that light isn't reflected from the edge of the Universe?

Actually I have - main suspect on the scene of the Big Bang - the CMB.

parados wrote:

I'll give you a hint. You have no evidence of it not being reflected. You are hypothesizing about something that you don't even know if it is true or not.

Absolutely yes, and so are you - and what are we going to do now?

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Well, gosh darnit, looks like somebody asked another nonsense question, revealing yet again his profound ignorance of the topic he's trying to convince everyone he is so knowledgeable about: http://astronomy.nmsu.edu/geas/lectures/lecture28/slide02.html

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Does the Universe have an Edge?

What happens at the edge of the Universe? The short (but rather confusing) answer is that the Universe has no edges. It has no edges, no ends, and no center. All points within the Universe appear the same, and the Universe looks the same no matter where you are standing inside it. But what does this really mean?

We said that a one dimensional universe could be visualized as piece of string, or a rubber band. Let us start with a foot long piece of string. It has two ends, and a centerpoint (six inches in from either end). How can we make a piece of string without any ends and no center? Tie the ends together, and form a circle! Now our string (or a rubber band) has been transformed into a smooth shape, with no centerpoint, no beginning and no end.
We said that a two dimensional universe could be visualized as piece of paper, or a rubber sheet. Let us start with a foot square piece of paper. It has four edges, and a centerpoint (six inches in from any edge). How can we make a piece of paper without any edges? Loop the edges around together, and form a sphere! Now our paper (or a balloon) has been transformed into a smooth shape, with no centerpoint, no beginning and no end.
The same technique could be used in our three dimensional universe if only we knew how to visualize it. So there are no ends to the Universe, and all points within it are equal. (The only reason that we observe distant galaxies in their infancy is because of the long time it takes for light from them to reach us. By the same token, the alien astronomers living in distant galaxies are observing the Milky Way as it appeared 10 billions years ago.)

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Did you explain your evidence for your "personal 45% god-of-the-gaps"? No.

     I have had great teachers - on the net - who are able to take red herring of any kind out of any sleeve ... and at any moment.
     If you are curious to know your Big Bang 'theory' and Evolution 'theory' are obviously missing any mental and spiritual content - and neither of them has any value of any spiritual experience, but which is even worse - they don't even have the capacity of ever being able to have anything of the kind.
     BTW I am not explaining 'my' God on the grounds of the huge gaps of information, which some 'sciences' are too great to humiliate themselves to consider.
     Perhaps you don't understand something - with or without God we are strongly correlated to the environment and the biosphere and there is no such option when you may spill dioxins into the river to infinity, and to cause carcinogenic bumps of the fish ... and to remain at the same time in reinforced concrete health. We are interconnected with the biosphere much more than you can possibly imagine, which automatically means that the biosphere might have been created especially for us - just don't ask me by whom, for this is a gap-of-the-Big-bang.
     ... and would pls. stop publishing these pathologies of misinterpretation of religion - for I may find some pathologies of misinterpretation of science: the A-bomb, the H-bomb, the N-bomb, the Institute of Psychotronics & Mind Control, and the irresponsible biological experiments with retro- and animal viruses could be just a few of the examples.

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@Herald,

BBT wasn't fallaciously inserted into any gap in any theological explanation despite lack of evidence; it's the other way around, Mr. Edge-of-the-Universe. Laughing

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Well, gosh darnit, looks like somebody asked another nonsense question, revealing yet again his profound ignorance of the topic he's trying to convince everyone he is so knowledgeable about.

     1. How can someone ask a 'nonsense question' and somebody else to be 'so knowledgeable about' the issue? How does that happen?
     2. Why the question about the reflection of the light at the edge (is exists) of the Universe is 'nonsense' (whatever this might mean)? The fake theory of the Big Bang, developed by the 'knowledgeable ones' claims (without any justification and reasonable ground to believe, BTW) that the Universe has an edge (along which the Big Bang could still be observed). We have 3-D space medium and 'on the other side' - some Hyperspace, or Nothing, or whatever.
     3. If a cladding of some insignificant impurities in the ultra-pure glass can cause total internal reflection in the fiber optic cable, why is the question about the reflection of light at the 'edge of the Universe' comprising most probably transition from 3-D space into Hyperspace/Nothing a 'nonsense question' - and what does nonsense question is supposed to mean in the addicted misinterpretation of the world?

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@Herald,

Asking anything about the edge of the universe is as much nonsense as asking how many teeth a unicorn has. Laughing

You just can't stand to admit that your profound ignorance has been exposed yet again, can you? Wink

Keep it up! Keep on digging that hole! This is fun! Very Happy

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@FBM,

OK, first, you're not fighting the idiocy of "faith healing" by posting here. Furthermore, for you to bring up faith healing in this context is as foolish as it is for Herald to bring up "the Big Bang." Whether or not there had been such an event as a big bang is not relevant to a discussion of evolution. Whether or not faith healing constitutes a form of child abuse is not relevant to allegations of intelligent design. There are many, many christians who don't accept evolution as an explanation for the diversity of biota on this planet--and who also don't practice nor rely on faith healing. There are many, many people who accept evolution as an explanation for the diversity of life on this planet who don't stipulate a big bang--after all, it's not relevant to a discussion of evolution.

So i find bringing up faith healing is a non sequitur, a distraction from the discussion, and a case of sinking to the low rhetorical level i deplore in the god squad when they rave about abiogenesis and the big bang.

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@Herald,

Let's try Harvard this time: http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/faq.htm#s1

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Does the Universe have an edge, beyond which there is nothing?

Galaxies extend as far as we can detect... with no sign of diminishing.There is no evidence that the universe has an edge. The part of the universe we can observe from Earth is filled more or less uniformly with galaxies extending in every direction as far as we can see - more than 10 billion light-years, or about 6 billion trillion miles. We know that the galaxies must extend much further than we can see, but we do not know whether the universe is infinite or not. When astronomers sometimes refer (carelessly!) to galaxies "near the edge of the universe," they are referring only to the edge of the OBSERVABLE universe - i.e., the part we can see.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Asking anything about the edge of the universe is as much nonsense as asking how many teeth a unicorn has.

The edge of the Universe is not my invesntion - it is 'standard' claim of your favorite 'theory'. It is claiming that 'the Big Bang still can be observed along the breaker high' - perhaps you should read a little bit more carefully all the theories that you double-blindly believe in, mate - don't you think?

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@Setanta,

I'm pretty sure I mentioned faith healing in the context of scientific denialism, which is directly related.

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

FBM wrote:
Asking anything about the edge of the universe is as much nonsense as asking how many teeth a unicorn has.
The edge of the Universe is not my invesntion - it is 'standard' claim of your favorite 'theory'. It is claiming that 'the Big Bang still can be observed along the breaker high' - perhaps you should read a little bit more carefully all the theories that you double-blindly believe in, mate - don't you think?

OK, obviously you need the kiddie-level class:

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@Herald,

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/teaemoticonbygmintyfresxa4.gif

http://www.windows2universe.org/kids_space/edge.html

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What is the edge of the universe like? Is it a brick wall or what? Will we be able to go past our universe someday?

Too bad it's not a brick wall or something like that. Actually, there really is no "edge" of the universe so we can't go past it. There are two cases that could happen. One is that the universe will expand forever. This means that the universe is infinite in size so it doesn't have an end. It just goes on and on and on. The second case is that the universe will end in a Big Crunch. In this case the universe is finite in size because of gravity.
So if it's finite in size, why isn't there an edge we can go to? That's because of a weird little thing gravity does to space--it curves it!
Einstein first came up with the idea of gravity curving space. That's how the Earth orbits the sun. It wants to go straight but the Sun curves the space around it so the Earth can't go flying off.
There is so much matter in the universe that space is bent back on itself! It's sort of like how you can bend a wire until its ends touch, you come up with a circle. You can walk around a circle forever without coming to an edge.
So, the universe can be finite but have no edge. It's similar to the Earth. The Earth has a finite surface area but it doesn't have an edge that you can fall off (lucky for Columbus...)

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