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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 02:13 am
@FBM,
Quote:
I'll make it easier for you by making the questions more specific. How doe your "45% god-of-the-gaps" hypothesis explain these things better than science does?"

1. Gravitational lensing.

2. Pulsars. (Quasars will do, if that works better for ya.)

3. Why birds don't have teeth.

4. The fossil record.

5. Radioactive decay.

If you can't do that, then by all means offer your own specific example(s) of what observable phenomeonon/a "goddidit" better than science currently does.



Does this boy really belives all that shite?

1. Gravitational lensing. IT doesn't exist!

2 Pulsars. (Quasars will do, if that works better for ya.) What about them?


3 Why birds don't have teeth. My grandpa has neither!

4 The fossil record. Really? Not that one again! There are NO transitional fossils!

5 Radioactive decay. What about it, except the fact that it is extremely unreliable!




Man o man is that all you can do?
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 02:40 am
The foundation of the "science can't explain it, therefore god" approach is both a non sequitur and a false dichotomy. The non sequitur is obvious, as "therefore god" is not entailed by "science can't explain it."

The false dichotomy is the implicit assumption that there are only two options: current science or god. There are numerous other options, including an unknown number of scientific hypotheses that may be punted in the future, to wit:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221268641300037X

(Emphasis added to help those who can't/don't want to read all of it)

Quote:
Spontaneous creation of the Universe Ex Nihilo
Maya Lincoln, , Avi Wasser

Abstract

Questions regarding the formation of the Universe and ‘what was there’ before it came to existence have been of great interest to mankind at all times. Several suggestions have been presented during the ages – mostly assuming a preliminary state prior to creation. Nevertheless, theories that require initial conditions are not considered complete, since they lack an explanation of what created such conditions. We therefore propose the ‘Creatio Ex Nihilo’ (CEN) theory, aimed at describing the origin of the Universe from ‘nothing’ in information terms. The suggested framework does not require amendments to the laws of physics: but rather provides a new scenario to the Universe initiation process, and from that point merges with state-of-the-art cosmological models. The paper is aimed at providing a first step towards a more complete model of the Universe creation – proving that creation Ex Nihilo is feasible. Further adjustments, elaborations, formalisms and experiments are required to formulate and support the theory.

Keywords
Universe creation; Ex Nihilo; Bit-based information; Symmetry

1. Introduction

Questions regarding the formation of the Universe and ‘what was there’ before it came to existence have been of great interest to mankind at all times. Many suggestions have been presented during the ages – mostly assuming a preliminary state prior to creation.

Currently, the most commonly accepted state-of-the-art theory for the Universe creation is the hot Big-Bang theory, stating that the Universe has expanded from a primordial hot and dense initial condition. The Big-Bang theory has been extremely successful in correlating the observable properties of the Universe with the known underlying physical laws [1]. Yet, this theory cannot describe what came before the Big-Bang event and also what happened during the first miniscule time-fraction after the initial Big-Bang (Planck time).

In general, any model of the Universe creation that involves preliminary conditions or requires an initial state is incomplete since it lacks an explanation of what created these initial conditions. Therefore, we adopt the vision of a “flash of Universe appearing from nothing” [2], assuming that the starting phase of the Universe adheres with the “principle of ignorance,” and that “singularity is the ultimate unknowable, and therefore should be totally devoid of information” [3].
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2. Creatio Ex Nihilo
To explain the suggested theory, CEN, we outline a schematic route map consisting of two ‘traffic’ lines. The first line features the Big-Bang stream of research and the second presents the CEN theory (see illustration in Fig. 1). The Big-Bang theory commences from an unknown state followed by a ‘Big-Crunch’ – a hot and dense initial condition. CEN, on the other hand, assumes initiation at a state of ‘nothing’ which is then transformed into ‘information’ due to a Spontaneous Symmetry Break (SSB). Following the formation of information, and in order to explain the further steps in the Universe creation process, we present two alternatives for integrating CEN with the Big-Bang theory. According to the first option (merge point A), CEN amalgamates with the Big-Bang theory through a conversion of information into energy. Alternatively, the theories merge at point B, with the addition of an additional phase in CEN, in which forces and dynamicity naturally emerge from the state of ‘information.’ After either of the merge points, the Universe continues its development according to the Big-Bang theory.
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/1-s20-S221268641300037X-gr1.jpg
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4. Discussion and future work

This paper presents a model for the Universe creation ‘Ex Nihilo.’ The proposed theory's main advantage is that it does not require any explanations of the physics prior to the Universe creation. This stream of research can also provide an explanation to several unexplained phenomena, such as the second law of thermodynamics, the existence of virtual particles in vacuum, the source of symmetry in the Universe, the evolution of matter and anti-matter, and non-local influences in quantum mechanics.

The paper provides a first step towards a more complete model of the Universe creation – proving that creation Ex Nihilo is feasible. Further adjustments, elaborations, formalisms and experiments are required to formulate and support the theory.
Two of such elaborations include: (1) formulating the mathematics of the dynamicity laws in the Universe platform; and (2) modeling specific mechanisms responsible for the evolvement of observed phenomena in the Universe, and in particular life itself. Such future research could demonstrate how complex and unpredictable phenomena can be generated from a small set of rules, and how it is possible to simulate dynamic life and other computational processes from a small amount of initial information. Possible directions for such future research may be based on the discovery of information structures that maintain ‘life’ properties such as ‘survival,’ ‘growth,’ and ‘duplication’ during changes in the Universe; or representing the evolvement of information in the Universe either as an extended case of a cellular automaton, or as an artificial neuron network.
Herald
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 07:54 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
is both a non sequitur and a false dichotomy.
     What false inferences and false contradictions you are talking about when your favorite 'theory' has only one inference rule (induction) and is in contradiction with the greater part of the laws of the fundamental sciences.
FBM wrote:
"science can't explain it."
     Science can't explain actually a lot of things, like for example:
   - Where the missing information is going?
   - How far an inference may go when it is based on missing information ... in the preconditions?
   - How can you measure whatsoever without calibrating the scale?
   - How can you assess yourself objectively?
   - How has the Big Bang succeeded to switch on the Time?
   - How can a logic with serious contradictions operate in the scientific world and claims to have produced valid inferences? How does that happen?
     BTW where exactly in your scientific-like diagram is launched the Time - at which point and how?
Quote:
The proposed theory's main advantage is that it does not require any explanations of the physics prior to the Universe creation.
     The art of publishing BS is a Gift of God - it cannot be mastered in any University. One either has it by birth or can never acquire it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 11:01 am
@Herald,
It's not about induction. You need to learn the definition of words as they apply to science.

Quote:
sci·en·tif·ic meth·od
noun
a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.


There is no way to prove your god through the natural sciences. It's all hokey pokey.

Quote:
ho·key-po·key
nouninformal
1. US
a circle dance with a synchronized shaking of the limbs in turn, accompanied by a simple song.
2. US
hocus-pocus; trickery.
Herald
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 12:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
You need to learn the definition of words as they apply to science.
     Def.: Concept learning through induction: concepts are the mental categories that help us classify objects, events, or ideas, building on the understanding that each object, event, or idea has a set of common relevant features.
     Thus, concept learning is a strategy which requires a learner to compare and contrast groups or categories that contain concept-relevant features with groups or categories that do not contain concept-relevant features.

     Thus, perhaps you are trying to deny that the Big Bang 'theory' relies on concepts, explaining the world, or what?
     Or maybe you are trying to deny that the Big Bang 'theory' is classifying the objects of the Universe, and doesn't make any interpretations of the observations. WFM.
cicerone imposter wrote:
There is no way to prove your god through the natural sciences.
     Which natural sciences you are talking about: the Big Bang perhaps?! - it is light years away from the nearest natural science.
     Do you have any plausible explanation of how the Big Bang has launched the Time component? Do you have any idea of how can something exist outside Time? Do you know at all what does contradiction in the inference engine in math logic mean? ... and have you any vague idea of what does missing information in the assumptions is and how far it may go?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 01:10 pm
@Herald,
The big bang theory has more support and evidence for it than your magic wand god. Who created god?

PLEASE, prove to us that your god exists? Otherwise, you're giving credit to a god that men created, and it doesn't have anything more than just more comic book characters. It fits in the same category as superman, batman, and batwoman; all created by men.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 01:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The big bang theory has more support and evidence for it than your magic wand god



What a joke!!!! where did you get that? tell me tell me!!

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 02:40 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
That's quite a huge denial on your part since your denials are now being repeated adnauseam. You only prove you don't comprehend the English language. Your questions are meaningless until you prove your god.
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 04:02 pm
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

FBM wrote:
is both a non sequitur and a false dichotomy.
     What false inferences and false contradictions you are talking about when your favorite 'theory' has only one inference rule (induction) and is in contradiction with the greater part of the laws of the fundamental sciences.


a) Mathematical induction is a form of deductive reasoning.
b) Your "personal 45% god-of-the-gaps" is in contradiction with 100% of the laws of the fundamental sciences, so if I were you, I'd shut up about that little bit of over-statement. Wink

FBM wrote:
"science can't explain it."
Quote:
     Science can't explain actually a lot of things, like for example:
   - Where the missing information is going?
   - How far an inference may go when it is based on missing information ... in the preconditions?
   - How can you measure whatsoever without calibrating the scale?
   - How can you assess yourself objectively?
   - How has the Big Bang succeeded to switch on the Time?
   - How can a logic with serious contradictions operate in the scientific world and claims to have produced valid inferences? How does that happen?
     BTW where exactly in your scientific-like diagram is launched the Time - at which point and how?
Quote:
The proposed theory's main advantage is that it does not require any explanations of the physics prior to the Universe creation.
Quote:
     The art of publishing BS is a Gift of God - it cannot be mastered in any University. One either has it by birth or can never acquire it.


All you have to do is come up with something better, Professor. How does your "personal 45% god-of-the-gaps" explain anything better than the current form of the Standard Model? Your approach is child's play. Piggy-back science all the way back to the Big Bang, and then when scientists admit that they're still working on finding solutions, you jump up and down, yelling, "See I told you so! Science doesn't know, therefore god! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps!" Laughing


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/Denialism.jpg
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 06:34 pm
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE420.html

Quote:
Index to Creationist Claims, edited by Mark Isaak, Copyright © 2006
Previous Claim: CE412 | List of Claims | Next Claim: CE421
Claim CE420:

The theory of a big bang has been shaken with unresolvable inconsistencies, such as an unexpectedly uneven distribution of matter in the universe and a need for dark matter. Several astronomers think it is no longer a valid theory.
Source:

Gitt, Werner. 1998. What about the big bang? Creation 20(3): 42-44. http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i3/big_bang.asp

Response:

The big bang is supported by a great deal of evidence:

Einstein's general theory of relativity implies that the universe cannot be static; it must be either expanding or contracting.

The more distant a galaxy is, the faster it is receding from us (the Hubble law). This indicates that the universe is expanding. An expanding universe implies that the universe was small and compact in the distant past.

The big bang model predicts that cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation should appear in all directions, with a blackbody spectrum and temperature about 3 degrees K. We observe an exact blackbody spectrum with a temperature of 2.73 degrees K.

The CMB is even to about one part in 100,000. There should be a slight unevenness to account for the uneven distribution of matter in the universe today. Such unevenness is observed, and at a predicted amount.

The big bang predicts the observed abundances of primordial hydrogen, deuterium, helium, and lithium. No other models have been able to do so.

The big bang predicts that the universe changes through time. Because the speed of light is finite, looking at large distances allows us to look into the past. We see, among other changes, that quasars were more common and stars were bluer when the universe was younger.

Note that most of these points are not simply observations that fit with the theory; the big bang theory predicted them.

Inconsistencies are not necessarily unresolvable. The clumpiness of the universe, for example, was resolved by finding unevenness in the CMB. Dark matter has been observed in the effects it has on star and galaxy motions; we simply do not know what it is yet.

There are still unresolved observations. For example, we do not understand why the expansion of the universe seems to be speeding up. However, the big bang has enough supporting evidence behind it that it is likely that new discoveries will add to it, not overthrow it. For example, inflationary universe theory proposes that the size of the universe increased exponentially when the universe was a fraction of a second old (Guth 1997). It was proposed to explain why the big bang did not create large numbers of magnetic monopoles. It also accounts for the observed flatness of space, and it predicted quantitatively the pattern of unevenness of the CMB. Inflationary theory is a significant addition to big bang theory, but it is an extension of big bang theory, not a replacement.
Links:

Feuerbacher, Björn and Ryan Scranton. 2006. Evidence for the Big Bang. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html
References:

Guth, Alan H., 1997. (see below).
Further Reading:

Ferris, Timothy. 1997. The Whole Shebang. New York: Simon & Schuster.

Guth, Alan H. 1997. The Inflationary Universe. Reading, MA: Addison-Wesley.

Harrison, E. R. 2000. Cosmology: The science of the universe. Cambridge University Press.
Previous Claim: CE412 | List of Claims | Next Claim: CE421
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 06:40 pm
The above links to this: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html

Quote:
Evidence for the Big Bang
by Björn Feuerbacher and Ryan Scranton
Copyright © 2006
[Posted: January 25, 2006]



The sheer volume of evidence presented makes it way too much to bring here, but anyone interested in educating themselves can follow the link.
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Herald
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 11:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
The big bang theory has more support and evidence for it than your magic wand god.
     Absolutely. Like for example 'support & evidence' No.1 from herein above:
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The proposed theory's main advantage is that it does not require any explanations of the physics prior to the Universe creation.
     I am not going to comment the truth value of this statement and its qualities as evidence, because it has obviously self-proclaimed itself as axiomatically true and as an 'evidence' of the last resort.
     What do we have here: The proposed theory (the Big Bang) has an advantage and this 'advantage' is that it does not require (and why it that so?) any assumptions, hence it is valid for any interpretation of the world, and is subject to no constraints, from where follows that it is omnipresent.
     ... 'it does not require any explanations of the physics' - because it is standing above the things, it is above the laws of physics & math logic, it is existing not owing to the laws of physics and math logic, but despite of them, and independently from them ... for it can afford to design its own laws of existence - hence it is the top designer of any knowledge acquisition, from where automatically follows that it is omniscient.
     ...'it does not require any explanations ... prior to the Universe creation'. Why is that - because the Big Bang is the mastermind of everything, incl. the Time. It can not only launch the Time whenever he finds it appropriate (along with the sequences of events based on time component), it can not only make a Cesium clock without Cesium, but it can exist by itself outside the Time without any need to explain how and why ... and in the capacity of being so it is out of any doubt omnipotent,
     ... from where automatically follows that the concept of the Big Bang is an ugly parody and a copy-paste super-production from the concept of God. The only brand new characteristics that the 'theory' of the Big Bang has acquired throughout that copy-paste process - and that God most probably will never be able to possess - is self-conceit, arrogance and disdain ... and the main advantage here is that it does not even need to explain in any way its self-conceit, arrogance and disdain.
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 11:37 pm
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/10406455_1027849680563816_171128122886815496_n.jpg
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2014 11:53 pm
Quote:
Index to Creationist Claims, edited by Mark Isaak, Copyright © 2006
Previous Claim: CI010 | List of Claims | Next Claim: CI100.1
Claim CI100:

Life looks intelligently designed because of its complexity and arrangement. As a watch implies a watchmaker, so life requires a designer.

Source:

Cicero, Marcus Tullius. 1896 (45 B.C.). De Natura Deorum (On the Nature of the Gods), transl. Francis Brooks. London: Methuen; Book 2, chap. 34. http://oll.libertyfund.org/Texts/Cicero0070/NatureOfGods/HTMLs/0040_Pt03_Book2.html#hd_lf040.label.159
Paley, William, 1802. Natural Theology: or, Evidences of the Existence and Attributes of the Deity. London: J. Faulder.
Davis, Percival and Dean H. Kenyon, 1989. Of Pandas and People: The Central Question of Biological Origins (2nd ed.). Dallas, TX: Haughton.

Response:

According to the definition of design, we must determine something about the design process in order to infer design. We do this by observing the design in process or by comparing with the results of known designs. The only example of known intelligent design we have is human design. Life does not look man-made.

Nobody argues that life is not complicated. However, complexity is not the same as design. There are simple things that are designed and complex things that originate naturally. Complexity does not imply design; in fact, simplicity is a design goal in most designs.

In most cases, the inference of design is made because people cannot envision an alternative. This is simply the argument from incredulity. Historically, supernatural design has been attributed to lots of things that we now know form naturally, such as lightning, rainbows, and seasons.

Life as a whole looks very undesigned by human standards, for several reasons:

In known design, innovations that occur in one product quickly get incorporated into other, often very different, products. In eukaryotic life, innovations generally stay confined in one lineage. When the same sort of innovation occurs in different lineages (such as webs of spiders, caterpillars, and web spinners), the details of their implementation differ in the different lineages. When one traces lineages, one sees a great difference between life and design. (Eldredge has done this, comparing trilobites and cornets; Walker 2003.)

In design, form typically follows function. Some creationists expect this (Morris 1974). Yet life shows many examples of different forms with the same function (e.g., different structures making up the wings of birds, bats, insects, and pterodactyls; different organs for making webs in spiders, caterpillars, and web spinners; and at least eleven different types of insect ears), the same basic form with different functions (e.g., the same pattern of bones in a human hand, whale flipper, dog paw, and bat wing) and some structures and even entire organisms without apparent function (e.g., some vestigial organs, creatures living isolated in inaccessible caves and deep underground).

As noted above, life is complex. Design aims for simplicity.

For almost all designed objects, the manufacture of the object is separate from any function of the object itself. All living objects reproduce themselves.

Life lacks plan. There are no specifications of living structures and processes. Genes do not fully describe the phenotype of an organism. Sometimes in the absence of genes, structure results anyway. Organisms, unlike designed systems, are self-constructing in an environmental context.

Life is wasteful. Most organisms do not reproduce, and most fertilized zygotes die before growing much. A designed process would be expected to minimize this waste.

Life includes many examples of systems that are jury-rigged out of parts that were used for another purpose. These are what we would expect from evolution, not from an intelligent designer. For example:
Vertebrate eyes have a blind spot because the retinal nerves are in front of the photoreceptors.
On orchids that provide a platform for pollinating insects to land on, the stem of the flower has a half twist to move the platform to the lower side of the flower.

Life is highly variable. In almost every species, there is a spread of values for anything you care to measure. The "information" that specifies life is of very low tolerance in engineering terms. There are few standards.

Life is nasty. If life is designed, then death, disease, and decay also must be designed since they are integral parts of life. This is a standard problem of apologetics. Of course, many designed things are also nasty (think of certain weapons), but if the designer is supposed to have moral standards, then it is added support against the design hypothesis.

The process of evolution can be considered a design process, and the complexity and arrangement we see in life are much closer to what we would expect from evolution than from known examples of intelligent design. Indeed, engineers now use essentially the same processes as evolution to find solutions to problems that would be intractably complex otherwise.

Does evolution itself look designed? When you consider that some sort of adaptive mechanism would be necessary on the changing earth if life were to survive, then if life were designed, evolution or something like it would have to be designed into it.

Claiming to be able to recognize design in life implies that nonlife is different, that is, not designed. To claim that life is recognizably designed is to claim that an intelligent designer did not create the rest of the universe.

As it stands, the design claim makes no predictions, so it is unscientific and useless. It has generated no research at all.

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http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI100.html
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2014 03:18 am
@FBM,
You have to face the fact that Specter is a bit of a liar of course.
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Herald
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2014 04:17 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
Why should religious people be given access to scientifically devised medical knowledge
     Because the first hospitals are actually shelters of the nunneries; because the Red Cross in World War I is starting as a religious mission; because nobody in the medical science is relying on any Big Bang and any Evolution of the stars, and of the Species; because there is hardly any medical doctor in the world that would leave a patient with some infection on the mercy of the Big Bang ... and on the natural selection of the Evolution.
     The very same question can be asked with opposite sign: Why should the so called atheists be given any help by the holistic medicine; why should they be provided with knowledge for detoxication and activation of the immune system and also of the self healing properties of the human body; why are they not stuffed with viagra, xenalis, antibiotics and other fake medications ... to the event horizon of the natural selection?
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2014 04:43 am
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

...Why should the so called atheists be given any help by the holistic medicine; ...


I'm not aware of any who are so gullible as to want any of that crap. You know what alternative medicines that actually work are called? Medicine.

So, what does your "personal 45% god-of-the-gaps-diddit" hypothesis explain better than the current Standard Model? What problems does it solve? What does it predict? How can it be verified? In what way is it a superior hypothesis?
Herald
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2014 05:00 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
Einstein's general theory of relativity
     First, it is not 'general theory of relativity', but 'theory of general relativity' which is very different.
     Second the theory of general relativity claims nothing of the kind that 'the universe cannot be static; it must be either expanding or contracting'. The theory claims that massive objects cause distortion in space and time, in other words that the space-time continuum is not linear ... which does not mean that it should be expanding or contracting.
FBM wrote:
The more distant a galaxy is
     ... the greater the systematic error of a non-calibrated measurement could be.
FBM wrote:
This indicates that the universe is expanding.
     ... which on its side means that everything in the Universe is expanding pro rate: the particles are expanding (while it has been proved that they are actually shrinking); the galaxies should be expanding (and the observations show that they are shrinking); the distances between the galaxies should be expanding (but the calculations show that Andromeda will collapse with the Milky Way in several billion years); your home, your room and your laptop should be expanding as well - have you measured anything of the kind?
FBM wrote:
An expanding universe implies that the universe was small and compact in the distant past.
     It doesn't matter how much small and how compact it might have been - it cannot be compressed into Nothing without a Time component.
FBM wrote:
The big bang model predicts that cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation should appear in all directions, with a blackbody spectrum and temperature about 3 degrees K.
     It does not predict anything of the kind - it is misusing with the lack of plausible interpretation for the CMB and decides that it may become Big Bang of the Gaps - by poisoning the physical phenomena with its unsustainable, mind-blowing and unjustified claims.
FBM wrote:
The big bang predicts the observed abundances of primordial hydrogen, deuterium, helium, and lithium. No other models have been able to do so.
     Any math function of stochastic distribution can predict that without any problems ... and the Big Bang cannot explain how it has switched on the Cesium clock without having the Cesium itself let alone to dispose with the other chemical elements.
FBM wrote:
The big bang predicts that the universe changes through time.
     This is obvious from the direct observations - no predictions of any Big Bang have ever been required for that.
FBM wrote:
Because the speed of light is finite, looking at large distances allows us to look into the past.
     ... without having the vaguest idea of what is out there at present, right now.
FBM wrote:
Note that most of these points are not simply observations that fit with the theory; the big bang theory predicted them.
      ... nothing of the kind. These are predictions of the red shift in the light spectrum with the time ... that might have not anything in common with any Big Bang ever happening.
FBM wrote:
Dark matter has been observed in the effects it has on star and galaxy motions; we simply do not know what it is yet.
     This is obviously some gravitational impact from the Hyperspace that you cannot confess that has always existed. It obviously doesn't match the fake model of the Big Bang and you are persistently trying to attribute it somehow to that.
FBM wrote:
There are still unresolved observations.
      ... like for example the process of launching the Time.
FBM wrote:
For example, we do not understand why the expansion of the universe seems to be speeding up.
     and what speed it should have attained up by now (by applying the acceleration over 13.8 By)?
FBM wrote:
However, the big bang has enough supporting evidence behind it that it is likely that new discoveries will add to it, not overthrow it.
     Big Bang has no evidence of anything - it is simply a system with contradictions where everything can be inferred, and in the capacity of being a system where everything goes it is very difficult to be overthrown - actually it is a Gold Mine for any easy makering, and nobody overthrows a Gold Mine just so, simply because it might have become economically inefficient with the time.
Herald
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2014 05:04 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
I'm not aware of any who are so gullible as to want any of that crap.
     You are the one that starts publishing 'that crap' and all of a sudden you are 'not aware' - how does that happen? BTW holistic medical science is a standard medicine - it is not alternative.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2014 05:15 am
@Herald,
Quote:
Big Bang has no evidence of anything...


Au contaire, mon ami. You've been innundated with evidence. Your last-resort, fall-back bastion of defense remains denialism. Pure and simple. A mental disease. Hope you get better soon.

Quote:
...it is simply a system with contradictions...


Oh, like the current intelligence in the universe must (non sequitur) have been created by a greater intelligence? Then what created that greater intelligence? And the one before that? And the one before that? Infinite regression bites, dunnit? Your "personal 45% god-of-the-gaps" is rife with magnitudes more contradictions than the science you presume to deny, despite knowing dick-all about it. Laughing

Quote:
...where everything can be inferred, and in the capacity of being a system where everything goes it is very difficult to be overthrown


Unlike the explanation that a magical, invisible, undetectable sky-Santa waved his magic wand and made it all happen? Can make anything happen anytime against the laws of nature? http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/hehe.gif

What exactly does your "personal 45% god-of-the-gaps diddit" explain? In what way is it more informative and predictive than the current Standard Model?
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