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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 09:54 pm
Very interesting development, I think.

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Researchers use real data rather than theory to measure the cosmos
Dec 12, 2014 by Francesca Davenport


For the first time researchers have measured large distances in the Universe using data, rather than calculations related to general relativity.
A research team from Imperial College London and the University of Barcelona has used data from astronomical surveys to measure a standard distance that is central to our understanding of the expansion of the universe.

Previously the size of this 'standard ruler' has only been predicted from theoretical models that rely on general relativity to explain gravity at large scales. The new study is the first to measure it using observed data. A standard ruler is an object which consistently has the same physical size so that a comparison of its actual size to its size in the sky will provide a measurement of its distance to earth.

"Our research suggests that current methods for measuring distance in the Universe are more complicated than they need to be," said Professor Alan Heavens from the Department of Physics, Imperial College London who led the study. "Traditionally in cosmology, general relativity plays a central role in most models and interpretations. We have demonstrated that current data are powerful enough to measure the geometry and expansion history of the Universe without relying on calculations relating to general relativity.
"We hope this more data-driven approach, combined with an ever increasing wealth of observational data, could provide more precise measurements that will be useful for future projects that are planning to answer major questions around the acceleration of the Universe and dark energy."

The standard ruler measured in the research is the baryon acoustic oscillation scale. This is a pattern of a specific length which is imprinted in the clustering of matter created by small variations in density in the very early Universe (about 400,000 years after the Big Bang). The length of this pattern, which is the same today as it was then, is the baryon acoustic oscillation scale.

The team calculated the length to be 143 Megaparsecs (nearly 480 million light years) which is similar to accepted predictions for this distance from models based on general relativity.
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Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-12-real-theory-cosmos.html#jCp
Herald
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 11:37 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
No, that would be the preachers in the churches.
     You are talking with great ease about the pathological deviations of the Church - why don't you mention something about the pathological deviations of the teachings of the Big Bang and the Evolution? Why don't you tell us something about the people that might have lost their scruples and start killing and torturing whoever they find appropriate as a victim, because in the theory of Evolution only the predators survive ... actually the Evolution says nothing about traps and tapping of the communication lines ... and about misuse of information.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 11:42 pm
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

...because in the theory of Evolution only the predators survive ...


Holy ****. So why aren't all living animals predators? http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/dielaughing.gif

Hark, Herald, you little angel you, was the universe created by an intelligent being?
Herald
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 11:57 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
A standard ruler is an object which consistently has the same physical size so that a comparison of its actual size to its size in the sky will provide a measurement of its distance to earth.
     ... and how is that 'same physical size' going to be proved - can you explain what exactly are the baryonic matter and the 'standard candle' of supernova? This is absolutely 'standard approach' in such 'sciences' - when you cannot manage with some contradiction, the most natural & standard approach is to hide it into even more standard ruler or gravitational continuum or baryonic acoustic oscillations... you may also hide it into hyperspace, if you wish - what is the difference.
     Why don't you ask the question: how have these BAOs missed the Grand Party of the expansion of the Universe ... and have they really missed it or there hasn't been any 'grand party' from the very beginning?
Herald
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 12:00 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
Holy ****.
     What can you tell about the Eugenics? Is it based on Evolution or not?
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 12:00 am
@Herald,
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Why don't you ask the question:



I'm waiting for your answer to why we have non-predator animals all around us. http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/rofl2.gif

Oh, and the one about whether or not the universe was created by an intelligent designer.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 12:06 am
@FBM,
The biggest problem with that claim is the simple fact that many predators no longer lives. They're what is known as extinct. So much for his ignorance about predators.
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 12:07 am
@cicerone imposter,
Everybody run! It's coming for us!

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/6483182.jpg
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FBM
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 12:39 am
@Herald,
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/41OOfuOvCL_SY300_.jpg
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Herald
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 02:38 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
I'm waiting for your answer to why we have non-predator animals all around us.
     This is not my theory - this is the theory of those who misuse with the theory of Evolution (not that the Evolution itself is not encouraging them) - and obviously it is not true. The very same pathology can be observed BTW with finance and business as well: if you only take and give nothing to the society sooner or later you will become fabulously rich - that of course does not work in practice.
FBM wrote:
Oh, and the one about whether or not the universe was created by an intelligent designer.
     This question is not only mine - for it is yours as well: How has the Big Bang 'theory' created the intelligence? What about music: why do we like music, how we compose it, why can some people compose music on a conveyor (like Mozart, Beethoven, etc.), and some other still believe that it is the Big Bang that has invented the music?
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 02:48 am
@Herald,
Look out! There's a predatory hummingbird behind you! Run for your life! http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/haironfire_1.gif

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This is not my theory - this is the theory of those


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/bsmeter.gif

a) That only predators survive is not a theory.
b) You're the only one who has made that claim.

If you had even a rudimentary understanding of what a theory is or what evolution entails, you wouldn't be able to even write such a line of obvious bullshit. "Only predators survive." http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/bitchslap.gif

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This question is not only mine


You know my answer already. Did an intelligent being create the universe? Is that how you explain the phenomena you listed? Yes or no? Why the perpetual dodge?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 05:37 am
@Herald,
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in the theory of Evolution only the predators survive ... actually the Evolution says nothing about traps and tapping of the communication lines ... and about misuse of
I think you are descending into madness Herald. Youre getting more irrational with each post.

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in the theory of Evolution only the predators survive ...


Ever hear of the "Red Queen" argument? Predators get sneakier and faster, and their prey gets faster and faster, and the predators hve to keep up and so get even faster, (ditto the prey)'

About the other thing, Id get more sleep if I were you.
Herald
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 08:56 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
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in the theory of Evolution only the predators survive
I think you are descending into madness Herald.
      ... and I think that you are taking some phrases out of the context and make various top design straw-men out of them. Yet, you cannot deny that most of the gangsters and rapists are inspired exactly by the Evolutionary theory. Why for example everybody in jail lifts weights and is training martial arts & kick-boxing - because they truly believe that this is the formula of survival.
farmerman wrote:
Youre getting more irrational with each post.
     This is due to the influence of the opponents, I suggest. When you ask one hundred times one and the simple question and the atheists are outwhistling you, what do you expect to happen. So, do you have that acceleration of your favorite theory (in cu.m per sec^2) ... and how on the grounds of the red shift you calculate the expansion of the Universe (in [cu.m/sec])? What about the energy - where has the Big Bang taken all that energy from, to start creating whatsoever? What about the assumptions: if the universe has always existed, what exactly has the Big Bang created? What about the act of creation itself: where are your laboratory experiments showing unconditionally that you can create by an explosion higher-D space out any lower-D space?
     I am not going to ask you anything about the Evolution for you are mega-expert in the field and have reinforced-concrete correlation between the history record of the fossils and the virtual evolutionary processes that you claim to have establsihed.
     Are you curious to know how would the verification test of all that look like: it is any case of tissue pathology, when you and your theory and your 'understanding' of the evolutionary processes are absolutely helpless, because then it becomes obvious that you can't present any processes.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 09:46 am
@Herald,
interesting, you misquoted my quote of you in order to try to sustain your pointless post.
Still, have you heard of the Red Queen argument?

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So, do you have that acceleration of your favorite theory (in cu.m per sec^2) ... and how on the grounds of the red shift you calculate the expansion of the Universe (in [cu.m/sec])? What about the energy - where has the Big Bang taken all that energy from, to start creating whatsoever


why not do this as an iterative model expansion function (remember that the energy level of your cosmological body was ZERO at( T'o) so its an algebraic expression that any computer savvy chimp could spend time calculating .

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I am not going to ask you anything about the Evolution for you are mega-expert in the field and have reinforced-concrete correlation between the history record of the fossils and the virtual evolutionary processes that you claim to have establsihed.
Are you curious to know how would the verification test of all that look like: it is any case of tissue pathology, when you and your theory and your 'understanding' of the evolutionary processes are absolutely helpless, because then it becomes obvious that you can't present any processes.
Now I know Ive falledn off your bread truck. This makes no sense and it sounds like youre whining a bit. I think you just pull stuff out of your as and post it hoping no one will call you on this meaningless junk.

You know what a Giamope is?
Herald
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 10:25 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
in order to try to sustain your pointless post
      My 'pointless post' has been opened on your personal recommendation, in case you don't remember.
farmerman wrote:
Still, have you heard of the Red Queen argument?
     Honestly speaking - no, but we can always find something on Google: The Red Queen hypothesis, also referred to as Red Queen's, Red Queen's race or The Red Queen Effect, is an evolutionary hypothesis which proposes that organisms must constantly adapt, evolve, and proliferate not merely to gain reproductive advantage, but also simply to survive while pitted against ever-evolving opposing organisms in an ever-changing environment. The Red Queen hypothesis intends to explain two different phenomena: the constant extinction rates as observed in the paleontological record caused by co-evolution between competing species and the advantage of sexual reproduction (as opposed to asexual reproduction) at the level of individuals. Van Valen's metaphor can be explained thus: as one species increases their fitness becoming better adapted to their environment, other species in which that species interacts with will become adversely affected.
     So, what - you still don't have the processes in operational (and computational) form.
farmerman wrote:
why not do this as an iterative model expansion function (remember that the energy level of your cosmological body was ZERO at( T'o) so its an algebraic expression that any computer savvy chimp could spend time calculating.
     FM,FM, if your energy level of your cosmological 'theory' is ZERO at time-zero your whole theory is dead-on-arrival, a man.
     FM, we all know that your study and your laptop are expanding at a rate of 74 km/sec - what we don't know is what is that supposed to mean ... as a physical interpretation of the world?
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 10:34 am
@Herald,
I requested the THREAD, YOU initite any posts. Don't mix up definitions in a second language

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So, what - you still don't have the processes in operational (and computational) form
several computational methods regardin genic expansions exist, I aaumed you were familiar with them.

Computationally you need to start at To and Eo
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 05:58 pm
@farmerman,
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Don't mix up definitions in a second language


If he can still (mis)conceive of the idea that "only predators survive" Rolling Eyes and proceed to call it a theory, he's just refusing to learn. The definition has been explained repeatedly in excruciating detail. There are none so ignit as those who refuse to learn.

Herald
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 09:54 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
If he can still (mis)conceive of the idea that "only predators survive"
     I told you that this is the theory of the cons ... and that most of the ones going their are actually graduates of the 'theory' of Evolution - I am not going to comment who has learned what, where, and why.
FBM wrote:
he's just refusing to learn.
     What about your speed of learning: if the Universe is expanding at a speed of 74 km/s (according to your personal calculations) how much should be the elongation of the distance between Andromeda & the Milky Way in one year for example - and why is it actually shortening? What about our Galaxy - if the Universe is expanding at a rate of 405 224 cubic kilometers per second, what is the rate of expansion of our Galaxy according to your 'theory' ... and why is it actually shrinking? Why is the SS falling towards Sagittarius, while according to your personal theory of the things it should be going away from it ... and the Sagittarius itself should be expanding and collapsing as a black hole, which is not observed anywhere in the collected data? How does that happen?
      ... and BTW can you explain your favorite General Relativity Theory in few sentences - what does it actually claim, and what you have understood of it ... for FM said about it (without telling him what the formal model actually is) to be absolute BS that I absolutely agree with.
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 10:02 pm
@Herald,
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I told you that this is the theory of the cons ...

a) No, you stated it as a fact.
b) Nobody but you has made that claim. Nobody with even a rudimentary understanding of evolution would make such an ex-rectum statement.

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and BTW can you explain your favorite General Relativity Theory in few sentences


Sentence # 1: Einstein formulated it.
Sentence #2: Many or most of its predictions have been confirmed by observation.
Sentence #3: You're using the topic as a red herring fallacy.

And BTW, can you explain your favorite god hypothesis in a few sentences? I'm willing to bet that you're going to dodge once again with more red herring fallacies.

Your god isn't fitting into any of the gaps, Einstein. Wake up. Whoever's coaching you in this game isn't doing a very good job of it. Wink
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FBM
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 10:04 pm
@Herald,
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html

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Also Known as: Smoke Screen, Wild Goose Chase.

Description of Red Herring


A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:

Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim.

Examples of Red Herring

"We admit that this measure is popular. But we also urge you to note that there are so many bond issues on this ballot that the whole thing is getting ridiculous."
"Argument" for a tax cut:
"You know, I've begun to think that there is some merit in the Republican's tax cut plan. I suggest that you come up with something like it, because If we Democrats are going to survive as a party, we have got to show that we are as tough-minded as the Republicans, since that is what the public wants."

"Argument" for making grad school requirements stricter:
"I think there is great merit in making the requirements stricter for the graduate students. I recommend that you support it, too. After all, we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected."
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