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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

MORPHOLOGY OF A SPECIES (OR THREE) in real time.

FM, we may not be so well acquainted with the evolutionary scriptures, but we are not idiots. The things that you are talking about are called taxonomy. The relations in that taxonomy are of the type ISA (something is a member of some class of objects). For example my laptop ISA computer, my desktop ISA computer. This relation does not imply causality. The fact that my laptop ISA member of class computers does not imply that the laptop developed by evolution and natural selection from the computer. The relations in the taxonomy are not causal and do not prove any causality - they prove only declarative knowledge in hierarchy and nothing else.

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@Herald,

You wrote,

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evolutionary scriptures

. LMAO

Evolution is not religion; it's observed facts of our environment. Evolution is not based on 'faith.' It's based on repeated observations of the real world we live in.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Evolution is not religion

But nevertheless you believe blindly in the evolution, for you don't have any direct or verifiable evidence that it exists, is happening and has 'created' the species as it claims.

cicerone imposter wrote:

... it's observed facts of our environment

You don't have any direct observations on evolution - not a single one. All you have as observations are extinct and newly appeared species - morphology with a timestamp ... which timestamp is also very disputable having in mind how FM calibrates the measuring instruments with the age of just formed rocks from liquid magma at the age of 4.8 billion years.
You have only photos of fossils and nothing else, nothing indisputable about any evolutionary processes, nothing that can show the existence of the evolution in the real world, nothing that can demonstrate that the evolution can create new species the way it claims. Not a single evidence - only pictures of some taxonomy ... which is also very disputable at some places. Taxonomy that does not have the semantics of causality that you are trying to attribute to it.

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@Herald,

Not blindly; I see more evidence for evolution than not. You're the one who is blind. Your religion prevents you from seeing facts that surrounds you.

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@Herald,

If you ever learned something about what youre talking about, you would have something to offer (or not).
Taxonomy is merely the classification standard of an organism, (its properties of phenotype and genotype ). The REAL TIME CHANGE IN MORPHOLOGY-would impart new and different taxonomic properties to new sub species and species (What you IDers call "Of its "kind"...).

CHANGES IN TAXONOMIC PROPARTIES IN REAL TIME IS CERTAINLY STRONG EVIDENCE OF EVOLUTION. Shall I repeat that??

Obviously you quit reading shortly after you began.

Reading facts nd evidence is not your strong point is it? You seem to make up your mind and then try to argue it to death (However most all of your arguments are like a colander-they don't hold water)

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@Herald,

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You have only photos of fossils and nothing else,

and you have not a blinkin idea of what your speaking gain.

Even if all we had were "fossil photos" that's 1000% more than what ID hs in its bag of evidence.

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@farmerman,

These are 'photos' of real bones and skeletons.
https://www.google.com/search?q=fossil+evidence+for+evolution+in+museums&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=6YX_U5iLDcPrigKqyYDwAg&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1466&bih=810

Where are the evidence (even photos) for anything stated in the bible?

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@cicerone imposter,

The Bible has few lines in the BOOK OF JOB regarding "Behemoth". Thts it, nothing more. Don't even know wht the hell the ole coot was speking of. Behemoth coulda been an ox or an elephant. Elephants ran in the levant till mid Holocene

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@farmerman,

I'm pretty certain they weren't aware of dinosaurs, so it was probably elephants.

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@cicerone imposter,

they would have you believe tht it WAS dinosaurs. Thats how delusional they are when they claim that evolution lacks evidence. It is funny though when you think about it.

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@farmerman,

What is also funny is their belief in gods precludes their ability to rationalize so many contradictions found in their bible and science. It's an amazing feat to sacrifice common sense and the sciences.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Not blindly; I see more evidence for evolution than not. You're the one who is blind. Your religion prevents you from seeing facts that surrounds you.

Do you count that 'general talk from the pub' right herein above as 'evidences', for these are bare claims and nothing else? They are not even verifiable. How did you see that 'more evidence for evolution than not', and how did you come to know that it is 'more' (much perhaps) - do you count it, or what ... and how do you compare it and on the grounds of what criteria - isn't it accidentally by some logical fallacy like cherry picking and confirmation bias?

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@Herald,

You wrote with much ignorance about what science and evolution are,

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They are not even verifiable.

LMAO You're ignorance is beyond my ability to have any more patience in refuting 100% of what you claim. It's a useless debate when you don't even understand the definition of words.

You are now on my IGNORE list.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

If you ever learned something about what youre talking about

You opened the theme with the taxonomy - it was not me.

farmerman wrote:

Taxonomy is merely the classification standard of an organism

Taxonomy is sooner a representation of declarative knowledge in hierarchy ... and can be used for any subject domain, not only for organisms, and where declarative means that it cannot imply any procedural knowledge (processes), like for example the process of formation of DNA sequence, natural/artificial selection ... not even vicious GMO practices.

farmerman wrote:

The REAL TIME CHANGE IN MORPHOLOGY-would impart new and different taxonomic properties to new sub species and species

... and where do you see this 'real time change' with the species that have survived to the present day from the era of the Dinos - like the Crocodiles, the Turtles, and the Varan de Komodo (your favorite theme)? Can you name at least one 'real time change' with the said species.

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@Herald,

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You opened the theme with the taxonomy -

and you, as usual, showedus your inability to comprehend the difference
Morphology--the outward shape of something without any regard to function (My post was about how college bio labs can now actually measure the changes in morphology)
Taxonomy (study of taxa), -- merely the "classification" (which is based upon morphology, behavior,physiology, etc.

Try not to get confused or stuck on the specifics of english words that are "rooted" in latin or greek .

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Can you name at least one 'real time change' with the said species.

Tht shows you didn't bother to read ANYTHING in my pot. It discussed real time morphological change in two specific lizard species.

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Taxonomy is sooner a representation of declarative knowledge in hierarchy ... and can be used for any subject domain, not only for organisms, and where declarative means that it cannot imply any procedural knowledge (processes), like for example the process of formation of DNA sequence, natural/artificial selection ... not even vicious GMO practices

You were going so good in poting your clip until you started adding your own words and fucked it up

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@farmerman,

JUST so Herald can better follow the bouncing ball, Ive reclipped my post that he seems to be misunderstanding . Here it is:

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A lab study for students of genetics in which they look at island biogeography and its results in the genetics AND MORPHOLOGY OF A SPECIES (OR THREE) in real time.

Theres a whole coupla lab books on evolutionary studies. The IDers are starting to get sweaty s the ground upon which they stand is swallowing them up.

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/fosrec/Filson.html

The lab exercise above is about doing studies in genetic AND MORPHOLOGICAL changes to an island species of a lizard. Taxonomy hs only to do with identification of the initial species involved.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You wrote with much ignorance about what science and evolution are,
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They are not even verifiable.

LMAO You're ignorance is beyond my ability to have any more patience in refuting 100% of what you claim. It's a useless debate when you don't even understand the definition of words.

You are now on my IGNORE list.

Oh, no. Someone you can call stupid and ignorant almost every day...and you put him on IGNORE.

Well...that shouldn't last very long anyway.

http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/humour-blague/clown-jonglerie/clown.gif

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@Frank Apisa,

you seem to be stalking CI, Is there something you wish to tell me ?

I promise itll just be between you and me.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

you seem to be stalking CI, Is there something you wish to tell me ?

Nope, not stalking.

He has had some negative things to say about my intelligence. I am, in effect, returning fire.

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I promise itll just be between you and me.

It is okay, FM...you are free to mention it to others as far as I am conerned.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Taxonomy (study of taxa), -- merely the "classification" (which is based upon morphology, behavior,physiology, etc.

What 'taxa' do you think you are studying - you haven't there any evidences about any processes (except for morphology, which is the result of the application of the processes ... whatever they might be there) - you have neither origin relations (the fact that the Penguins and the airplanes both have wings does not necessarily mean that they have common origin ... or have acquired the wings in one and the same way), nor evidences about any evolution happening. New species appear and there are missing links between the extinct species and the newly emerged ones - this is all that you have.

farmerman wrote:

Try not to get confused or stuck on the specifics of english words that are "rooted" in latin or greek.

Sorry, I haven't known that linguistics is your major ... and microbiology and astrophysics are actually hobbies to you.

farmerman wrote:

Tht shows you didn't bother to read ANYTHING in my pot. It discussed real time morphological change in two specific lizard species.

... and what has happened with those lizards (that I haven't read about) - perhaps they have evolved from 3 poisons into species with 6 poisons, or have started flying casually and little-by-little in the past billenium?

farmerman wrote:

You were going so good in poting your clip until you started adding your own words and fucked it up.

Why don't you simply comment on the theme - what is that mania to hide the inability to understand the things behind stochastic peppering of ad homs?

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