Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

@Buttermilk,

Buttermilk wrote:

Could the OP define "Casino Universe" all I could think of is the "intermittent reinforcement."

This is not an observation post, but as far as the 'Casino Universe' is concerned this is a Universe created by the Big Bang out of zero-D space and gravitational continuum without any material and immaterial particles, where:
1. The things are not pre-defined but are rather stochastic-driven
2. The processes there are not initiated & justified by causality, but are 'just happening'
3. No other intelligence can possibly exist, except for our own - we are the first and still the best.
4. The Casino always wins - it doesn't matter what evidences you may have in contradiction to the big bang and the evolution theories - in the end you are always the loser.
The rules of the game comprise two rules:
1. Rule 1 - there are no rules.
2. In case or emergence of any rules ... and validation tests, for example, the developers of the above said theories and the collateral easy-makers hanging around have the exclusive right to change the rules of the game anytime, always, when, and as they see fit.

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@Herald,

Thanks Herald!

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@Herald,

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1. The things are not pre-defined but are rather stochastic-driven

don't believe this because evolution is a declining member expansion. The only stochasticism involved is the unknown directions the earths environment goes. We can have hundreds of millions of years worth of stasis followed by two weeks of unexpected solar radiation

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@farmerman,

Herald is somewhat modifying his stand from making "evolution is random" to the "conditions that cause evolution are random" That I can easily support. In fact you are quoting Raups "Gamblers Ruin condition in extinction

BUT, since extinction is inevitable, whence cometh all these new species (I knew Id get ya back to trying to answer the question).

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

don't believe this because evolution is a declining member expansion.

If the evolution is deterministic where is the machanics of the genetic encoding explained ... and who, how, when and why wrote (designed through intelligence) the genetic code?

farmerman wrote:

The only stochasticism involved is the unknown directions the earths environment goes.

It is known and even how ... we are sailing fast forward to Hell.

farmerman wrote:

We can have hundreds of millions of years worth of stasis followed by two weeks of unexpected solar radiation.

The solar radiation is your least problem ... the water & the waterflood will end up with us much before that ... just before turning into sulphuric acid as a result of the 'clean coal' vicious practices.

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@Herald,

well, I cant argue with a worldview as that. With all these "Answers " you seem to possess, why haven't you published anything?
Never mind, I really don't give a ****.

I think I need a haircut.>

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@farmerman,

Can't you make the little effort to give us a variation on "I think I need a ****".

It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't know you're a bald as a coot.

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@Herald,

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. just before turning into sulphuric acid as a result of the 'clean coal' vicious practices.

What remedy do you propose H? Re-education of the masses to cut down on enjoying themselves?????

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

What remedy do you propose

To delay the processes in order to have more time for thinking ... and for realizing what the problem actually is and how far it may go, and how soon.
The processes involved in the waste of energy are so many that a lot of improvements could be done without so much efforts.
1. Situational awareness of the population - where the carbon has been when the planet has had air with 150 ppm, where it has gone by now & why ... & where should it go back and how in order to improve the chances for survival ... and to live without waterfloods and other buckles.
2. The economy should be based on solving math optimization problems (optimization-driven) rather than on the greed & unscrupulousness of the people, who have better chances & better access to misuse with the financial resources.
3. A decision should be made about the so called investment buildings - ghost buildings, resold from bank to bank on the stock exchange, looking for the most stupid buyers (that will pay the most money for them), in which buildings nobody lives.
The primary idea of a building is to perform its primary functions, and to be security on some questionable investments is the 18th function of the buildings in terms of priority interpretation.
4. Optimization of the energy sector - everything can be improved - from cleaner fuels through better computers to zero-energy buildings.
5. To clean the ocean somehow (just don't ask me how). The ocean is the endgame of the things - if we don't cope with that problem, the problem will cope with us ... sooner than expected.
6. To make the real interpretation of the appearance & development of life on the Earth - are we some experimental ILF or what ... and are the creatures around us some nano-bio-robots and what is the purpose of all that - to transfer some knowledge from somewhere else or what?
It may be true that the species are appearing throughout the so called evolution, but even more true is that the information encoding for their appearance cannot appear just so ... out of nothing and out of nowhere ... it cannot be even stochastic-driven without complying with the math laws of normal and/or other types of probabilistic distribution.

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If one studies the work of the psychiatrist Stanislav Grof, it is easy to see there is consciousness in and behind EVERYTHING.
Hence it is no Casino Universe, far far far from it.

http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1388206984l/196576.jpg

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I recommend The Holotropic Mind to two audiences: the scientifically minded willing to follow solid research wherever it goes and the New Age enthusiast willing to explore a radical theory which seeks to explain a wide range of occult phenomenon, from pre-birth memories to ESP to life-after-death.
Dr. Grof is skilled psychiatrist and researcher with solid academic credentials in the US and Europe. He was one of the first to experiment with LSD--experiment in the laboratory sense, not in the adolescent escapade sense. His decades of research with thousands of subjects, including himself, has convinced the doctor that altered states of consciousness are the gateway to understanding the nature of the human experience.
P. 133 neatly summarizes Dr. Grof's approach, and his book's challenge to the typical Western reader: "The prevalent bias of the modern industrialized world is one of excluding all forms of spirituality as erroneous and misleading. ... While the existence of the experiences is a fact that can be confirmed by any serious researcher familiar with non-ordinary states of consciousness, there are various ways to interpret the same data. This is not so different from any other scientific question. After all the theory of gravity is not the same as gravity itself. Similarly, while we might refuse to take seriously past life experiences because we do not like the theories of reincarnations, we would not think of applying the same thinking to gravity, that is, denying that objects are falling because we do not like the theories of gravity that explain it. There are observable facts about reincarnation. ... It is important to remind ourselves that science never 'proves' anything; it only 'disproves' or 'improves' existing theories."
This book is an easy read because it is filled with compelling case histories and stays away from polemic or 'newage' (rhymes with 'sewage') cant. Grof presents his data, places it in the context of other's theories, for example, Jung, William James and Maslow, then leaves the reader free for his own explorations and meaning-making. I wished for more details on his experimental methods, but perhaps that is better covered in one of his many other publications rather than in this slim and brisk volume.

http://www.amazon.com/Holotropic-Mind-Three-Levels-Consciousness/dp/0062506595/ref=la_B000APUAY6_1_12/184-4952422-8378938?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1403497626&sr=1-12

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@spendius,

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It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't know you're a bald as a coot

The only reason Im bald I becaue of th chemotherapy. Thatll be done soon and hopefully Ill be back with my pre chemo coif.
Ive had my entire head shaved so I don't have those annoying "dreds" that all chemo patients show for a while until evything is gone.

BTW , thank you for your concern and I don't know how you found out.

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@Herald,

I hope jimmy boy can read what these clowns have turned his nice thread into.
We have a woo woo peddler of inane phrases and another peddler who uses woo woo to try to deny science

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@farmerman,

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BTW , thank you for your concern and I don't know how you found out.

I'm sorry to hear that fm. I thought it was you being an egg head.

I will refer to it no more and I hope you recover fully.

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@Herald,

There is no remedy in that H. World government is the only remedy so that the population can be reduced in an orderly fashion by compulsion.

People are dirty. Not fossil fuel burning. We don't put the gun on trial in a murder case.

Obarmy is seeking to increase employment and growth and both are dirty. Civilisation is filthy and is fated to fly up its own arse.

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@spendius,

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World government is the only remedy so that the population can be reduced in an orderly fashion by compulsion.

Are you very serious about this???????

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@Quehoniaomath,

Suggest another way with the emphasis on orderly.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

I hope jimmy boy can read what these clowns have turned his nice thread into.

FM, if you are curious to know you are the Chef--de-Group of all the clowns.
My condolences to your chemotherapy and I wish you all the luck in the world to pass through this hurdle successfully. Actually, if you are curious to know, luck has nothing to do with success. Everything is based on situational awareness ... and ID.
1. Find the reasons - is it leaky guts, or wide spectrum antibiotics, or permanent stress, or something else.
2. Detoxicate - find detox doctors to navigate you through the detoxication of the tissues - do not do it yourself, for you may detoxify inwards instead of outwards.
3. Alcalinise your body ... slowly and carefully ... under the supervison of a medical doctor.
It's all about Candida overgrowth ... getting out of control of the immune system. For further details see in Google: Candida overgrowth
For fine control of Candida one may drink dry (dark) red wine - one glass per day, and to eat yogurt with life bacteria (and without starch - test it with iodine drop) ... and you may drink mineral water with pH 9.0 ... without too much flourine and chlorine, if possible. Forget about the fried starch - chips, donuts, deeply fried pies and fried cakes, etc.
In several days you will see whether you are on the right track or not.
As about the ID - it is obvious that you will not even start understanding it soon.

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@Herald,

Take it easy H.

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@spendius,

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Suggest another way with the emphasis on orderly.

That is no answer of course, but expected.

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@Herald,

anyone can have an opinion about anything, it takes neither skill nor training. However, if you want to APPLY your opinions, you better have some training. I venture to say that, with my own scientific worldview directing my education and experience, Ive probably made waaay more return for my clients and my own interests than you are able.
You can sit there and bullshit all you wish and listen to Quahogs screwy pablum. However If you want to earn some return in the REAL WORLD you've gotta have enough experience to be able to rewrite Wikipedia entries and know which ones are false, I doubt if you even know how to find your ass with both hands.

Id imagine that, were you in an exploration party looking for , say, oil in a new play, youd have no clue where to begin or even what to learn . Youd probably get lost before lunch, and get a grand sunburn from using your EDM the wrong way

Anybody can be at your level, it takes many years of
larnin and workin to get to mine.

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