now about the being wrong part. i think i am wrong about everything. right from the start of this thread to now,
i am saying there is no true statements, there is no truth
state a fact or belief confidently and forcefully
nice of you to pick the one phrase i purposely said to draw you in: "i am wrong about everything". wow, you actually quoted me and spent a whole post to 'use' it against me. only proving your own petty nature of trying to attack me rather than contribute meaningfully to the discussion.
i said i am wrong about everything because as soon as anything is said, it is instantly wrong. because some new information will prove it wrong. ponder on that for a while good sir.
lol such a long post to state such a simple (and terrible) argument.
i asserted something because i said it confidently and forcefully.
i already told you that in my own personal opinion, as the speaker of the words, i didn't feel any confidence or forcefulness. i have already conceded to you that i am wrong about everything, and drawn you into a false sense of victory.
so yes sir, i do understand exactly, precisely and absolutely how this works.
Its taken Frank 10 years NOT to understand that logic IS A poor handmaiden of general semantics. Indeed logical paradoxes ARE pointers to the ineffable position to which you are alluding.
If you think you can impose dichotomies like "right-wrong" on a position which specifically transcends such dichotomies, that is a pretty good illustration of being simplistic. You might as well try playing golf under water.
What is the point in discussing "embedded logic" in the context of Frank's simplistic posts ? ...and you are telling me to wake up !
Fil. You really have a problem with focusing which could explain why so many hit the ignore button when you show up.
Can't you realise that you are alluding to a fixed point to counter the fixity of points ? Can't you see that you allude to one logic against the totality of Logic ? Check the underscores I placed in your text and wake up pal...I really really wonder how stupid can you be to miss it... Rolling Eyes
.if you dislike logic make your statements clear without recurring to it (that would be funny to see you trying). Just as well, if you dislike assertions about matters of fact don't make you yourself assertions on matters of fact about others assumptions...
So...along with thinking there is no REALITY except what humans know and sense...now you are saying the "right/wrong" approach does not meet with your sense of reality.
And you call my arguments "simplistic!"
Some of the philosophers you quote so often here, Fresco, would probably thrash you for bringing stuff like this to a forum like A2K.
If you had any sense of pride or dignity, you'd probably thrash yourself.(Please do not misconstrue my meaning there.)