Van Dyck or STUDIO of Van Dyck (or Cornelius de Vos)?

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Another paining in our inherited collection is the on in the link below of Susanna Fourment which appears to be a cropped attempt of the portrait of Susanna and her child currently on display DC.

Knowing little about the hows and whys of artists of the time period, our ideas have run rampant and come up with these possibilities:

It is the work of a student or assistant of Van Dyck?

Could the family of Susanna wanted wanted a solo portrait but she did not want to sit for more sessions (although she appears in other works by Van Dyck and could be argued to by Snyder)? Was this a practice back then?

Any reason for this to be a de Vos? An aged note on one of the collections accompanying paperwork says that it is a de Vos while another says it is a Van Dyck in the style of de Vos.

Either way most of the notes were hurriedly scribbled by museum staff while the collection was being brought in an attempt at safekeeping prior to the invasion of Poland so they are all speculative.

We are obviously vetting experts at the moment but you never know what a public forum could turn up! Fore warning - other than the full frontal picture, some of the back and side images were manipulated (contrast, hue) to bring out some details in the canvas.

Also, in looking at the edges, is there a possibility there is a second canvas underneath the first one?

Thanks
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/100876926@N06/sets/72157635259227939

FYI I have completely given up on attempting to insert images. Every attempt at using the BBCode buttons end in failure with lots of code showing up in the final post. Created a support ticket, no answer. Looked online for answers specific to Able2Know, cant find an answer. Any help is greatly appreciated.

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@westcoastassist,

I'm back from the bus wars.

What you do is find a photo online (there's another whole deal for your own photos) that, if you click on it, usually starts with http:// and ends in either .jpg or .gif

That is called an url.

Then you surround that url with these:

[img]the url you found ending in jpg or gif[/img]

You can do that either manually, as I just did, or by going to bbc code, clicking on [img] and tucking your in the middle of the two bracked things that show up.....

or copying your url to the reply window, highlighting it, and then clicking on [img].

Press preview and it should show your desired photo.

You'll learn to do this stuff - it's confusing to most of us at first.

If the photo is one of yours somewhere on your computer, then you need to get it from your computer onto a site like photobucket or imageshack to have it end in .jpg. For me, photobucket is usually easier.

Photobucket has reasonably clear directions, if only I'd read them myself.

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Right clicking and choosing view image downsizes the image for easier full screen viewing.

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@ossobuco,

Thanks for the advice. I had to use a direct http link vs the one they were giving to use in BBCode editors.

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@westcoastassist,

Also, a little matter I keep on my desktop now as I learned about it relatively recently -

I've tried this, it works:

http://blog.able2know.org/2008/09/13/new-image-bbcode-features-size-and-align/

New image BBCode features (size and align)
September 13, 2008 | By Robert Gentel

We have made updates to the image bbcode to allow you to specify the size and alignment of the images you post. This can be useful if the image is too big or if you’d like the text to wrap the image. Here is how to do it.

To specify the size, use width and height attributes on the opening image tag like this:

If you want to align the image you can use “left”, “right” or “center” in an align attribute like this:

If you want to see an example of what you can do with the image align attribute see this topic.

Update: for a better example using both size and align at the same time see this topic on the Falling Man Photo

That's from the a2k blog (bottom the pages, the fat blue baseline, to the right).
So, go to the link if you want to click on the word this and see what Robert is talking about.

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Ah, I see that wasn't clear. Just go to the blog and look at the september 2008 entry: how to size is in there, and much easier than it seems.

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@westcoastassist,

I see the tag from "The National Museum of Warsaw". Was this a deaccession or is it some of Poland's missing patrimony?

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@farmerman,

Farmer, this is a followup thread, there's more to read -

http://able2know.org/topic/221159-1

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@farmerman,

The family placed it's trust in the National Museum to store its paintings prior to the invasion of Germany just before they fled. Needless to say the Germans and Russians took most of paintings for themselves.

The museum placed the sticker on all the paintings that came in and kept OK records, meaning the numbers and descriptions match all of the paperwork and legal documents we have. The stickers are on all of the paintings currently recovered and all paintings match those given back to the family. Suffice to say whether those stickers remain on any of the other missing works of art.

Some of the paintings were returned voluntarily between 56 and 79 to the museum in Warsaw and then placed them back in the hands of relatives. Interestingly a few of the paintings were given to the museum as payment for the collections" safe keeping.

30 paintings that belong to two families are still missing and spread across Europe in both private collections and museums. The search for them has just begin so that the family may get their paintings back. In most cases the family wants the paintings to be in public collections with their rightful name attached as on loan to various museums. In another post on ask2know the families story is told more in depth. (http://able2know.org/topic/221159-1)

Thanks for your input farmerman.

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@westcoastassist,

This post has been up voted to return to public searches, and will continue to be up voted as the art work as well as all the piece in the collect belong to my clients.

Members of this family risked their lives during the occupation of Poland and are unsung heroes - they played a major role in saving many lives. The father of the heir to these paintings went on to immigrate to the United States and fought for us in the Korean war. I will not stop until the whereabouts of every one of these works of art are located for them - they payed a heavy price and lost a lot more than these paintings in WWII. I cannot help the all of the untold numbers of families that were affected by the war but I can help this family find solace that their rightly purchased art is returned to them.

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@westcoastassist,

What are you talking about? Did someone thumb a post of yours down? A thread of yours?

That doesn't mean others don't see it.

Get over it, we all often get thumbed down.

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@westcoastassist,

After a long discussion with them, we have decided to work with the Getty in Los Angeles to assist us. Time to go hunting... Will continue to update as things come up. Luckily are documentation solidified the families ownership and they were more than happy to work with us.

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