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I am a Buddhist and if anyone wants to question my beliefs then they are welcome to do so...

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igm
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 03:39 am
@laughoutlood,
The Buddha's teachings given to one via a qualified Buddhist teacher is the only way to find out... but for now...

The term Buddha means "Awakened". Everything that happens to us... is like the happenings in a dream... unreal like the happenings in a dream.

These words of course do not come close to doing those teachings... justice. There is no substitute for just spending some time trying to find out.
igm
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 03:48 am
@igm,
I've slightly amended my last post.
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laughoutlood
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 03:58 am
@igm,
Thank you igm but my question was to you , not what answers I might seek from another or from within.

I asked,

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What are your thoughts on how to reconcile verity despite the seeming contradictions?

Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 04:06 am
@igm,
igm wrote:

The Buddha's teachings given to one via a qualified Buddhist teacher is the only way to find out... but for now...

The term Buddha means "Awakened". Everything that happens to us... is like the happenings in a dream... unreal like the happenings in a dream.

These words of course do not come close to doing those teachings... justice. There is no substitute for just spending some time trying to find out.



Why not?

Your blind guesses about the REALITY of existence are every bit as reasonable as the Buddha's blind guesses.

And your guesses about his guesses are also.
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igm
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 05:15 am
@laughoutlood,
laughoutlood wrote:

Thank you igm but my question was to you , not what answers I might seek from another or from within.

I asked,

Quote:
What are your thoughts on how to reconcile verity despite the seeming contradictions?



My thoughts are like the thoughts one has in a dream... meaningless and easily let go of.... when one wakes up.

Chumly
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 02:56 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
Chumly wrote:
neologist wrote:
I think igm simply wants you to specify one or more reasons why you question his beliefs.
Who knows what nescience lurks in the hearts of men? The Neologist knows!
I certainly see a lot of it.
Nescience:
1. Absence of knowledge or awareness; ignorance.
2. Agnosticism.

I'll assume you consider both meanings synonymous.
Chumly
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 03:01 pm
@igm,
igm wrote:
My thoughts are like the thoughts one has in a dream...meaningless and easily let go of.... when one wakes up.
Rather like the logicality of your posts sadly.
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neologist
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 06:32 pm
@Chumly,
I focused on def. #1 based on my assumption that atheism/agnosticism is not a sign of ignorance.
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igm
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 07:13 am
Science and the various religions and philosophies are showing us how to make the best of the dreamworld we inhabit... The Buddha shows us how to wake up from the dream.

There isn't anything more to say...
maxdancona
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 07:29 am
@igm,
I heard it is Jesus who shows us how to wake up from the dream.... or is it Mohammed?
maxdancona
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 07:38 am
@igm,
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Science and the various religions and philosophies are showing us how to make the best of the dreamworld we inhabit... The Buddha shows us how to wake up from the dream.


This post is a good example of the the Buddhist superiority complex that some of us find annoying.
igm
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 07:57 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

I heard it is Jesus who shows us how to wake up from the dream.... or is it Mohammed?

Those teachings according to you are that the christian God didn't create the universe he created a dream? Please quote those teachings? Jesus then came to tell us that God created a dream and we should wake up from it... show me those teachings?

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igm
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 08:02 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Quote:
Science and the various religions and philosophies are showing us how to make the best of the dreamworld we inhabit... The Buddha shows us how to wake up from the dream.


This post is a good example of the the Buddhist superiority complex that some of us find annoying.

It's only superior if you believe that you are dreaming... if not then it is inferior or it should be to you... your last two posts are emotional and in error.

Try not to be so defensive... you believe Buddhism is wrong... ok... chill-out.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 08:51 am
@igm,
igm wrote:

Science and the various religions and philosophies are showing us how to make the best of the dreamworld we inhabit... The Buddha shows us how to wake up from the dream.

There isn't anything more to say...


You KNOW it is a "dream world" how?

You KNOW the Buddha "shows us how to wake up from the dream" how?

Or are you simply asserting beliefs (guesses about the reality)?
JLNobody
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 09:07 am
@maxdancona,
Interesting, Max, that you should find that annoying. You should meditate on that. I for one find it profoundly true. I love good dreams and hate bad dreams. But better still is simply waking up. Why does that annoy you?
igm
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 09:13 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

igm wrote:

Science and the various religions and philosophies are showing us how to make the best of the dreamworld we inhabit... The Buddha shows us how to wake up from the dream.

There isn't anything more to say...


You KNOW it is a "dream world" how?

You KNOW the Buddha "shows us how to wake up from the dream" how?

Or are you simply asserting beliefs (guesses about the reality)?

It's all explained in the Buddha's teachings, Frank... then you reflect on them and meditate... simple as that.

I know and you don't and there is no solution that I can suggest for that, other than my previous sentence.

maxdancona
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 09:16 am
@JLNobody,
What annoys me is the implication that Buddhism is real, where Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism and Science are all illusion.

If you said "of all the religions Buddhism is the most meaningful to me" I would be Ok with that. After all, different people find comfort or meaning or insight from different philosophies.

But that isn't what is being said here. The message I am getting is that Buddhism leads you to the real truth and that all other religions and ways of thinking including science are just an illusion. For the record, I get equally annoyed when Christians or Muslims make equal claims of superiority.

It is the superiority complex that is annoying.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 09:21 am
@igm,
igm wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

igm wrote:

Science and the various religions and philosophies are showing us how to make the best of the dreamworld we inhabit... The Buddha shows us how to wake up from the dream.

There isn't anything more to say...


You KNOW it is a "dream world" how?

You KNOW the Buddha "shows us how to wake up from the dream" how?

Or are you simply asserting beliefs (guesses about the reality)?

It's all explained in the Buddha's teachings, Frank...


Yeah, Christians often tell me it is all explained in Jesus' teachings!

C'mon.

How do you know the "teachings" of the Buddha have any validity?


Quote:
then you reflect on them and meditate... simple as that.


If you try hard enough...you can "discover" that Zeus actually exists.


Quote:

I know...


You are even more adament than a Christian. Funny actually. Especially since you so often aver that Buddhism uses logic and reason.

You ought really to try using those things. They will show you where you are off base...and that may prove to be a more valuable lesson than the ones you suppose you have already learned.


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...and you don't and there is no solution that I can suggest for that, other than my previous sentence.


I'll keep working on helping you clear up on this, igm.


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gungasnake
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 09:28 am
@igm,
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Anyone can question anything that the Buddha taught and if I am able to answer I will.


Sure. How many people ever spoke with Buddha after he died?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 09:47 am
@igm,
Stick with it, igm.

You now are in a class with Christians who “know” there is a GOD…and that the God has expectations of us…and is offended by some of the things we humans do.

You now are in a class with people who “know” there are no gods.

As I said a couple of times now…nothing wrong with thinking all of this. In fact, if it makes you more comfortable with life (as your guesses seem to do for you)…stick with it. You are harming nobody by doing so. I mean that sincerely.

In any case, you set out to “teach” us something about your beliefs (and by extension, about Buddhism)…and you have succeeded.

Buddhism is a belief system which has adherents just as willing to be blind to their guessing as any other belief system.
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