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Ann Coulter: Don't need 9/11 Commission; just need timeline

 
 
Reply Sat 3 Apr, 2004 04:55 pm
How 9-11 Happened
March 31, 2004
We don't need a "commission" to find out how 9-11 happened. The truth is in the timeline:

PRESIDENT CARTER, DEMOCRAT

In 1979, President Jimmy Carter allowed the Shah of Iran to be deposed by a mob of Islamic fanatics. A few months later, Muslims stormed the U.S. Embassy in Iran and took American Embassy staff hostage.

Carter retaliated by canceling Iranian visas. He eventually ordered a disastrous and humiliating rescue attempt, crashing helicopters in the desert.

PRESIDENT REAGAN, REPUBLICAN

The day of Reagan's inauguration, the hostages were released.

In 1982, the U.S. Embassy in Beirut was bombed by Muslim extremists.

President Reagan sent U.S. Marines to Beirut.

In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut were blown up by Muslim extremists.

Reagan said the U.S. would not surrender, but Democrats threw a hissy fit, introducing a resolution demanding that our troops be withdrawn. Reagan caved in to Democrat caterwauling in an election year and withdrew our troops - bombing Syrian-controlled areas on the way out. Democrats complained about that, too.

In 1985, an Italian cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, was seized and a 69-year-old American was shot and thrown overboard by Muslim extremists.

Reagan ordered a heart-stopping mission to capture the hijackers after "the allies" promised them safe passage. In a daring operation, American fighter pilots captured the hijackers and turned them over to the Italians - who then released them to safe harbor in Iraq.

On April 5, 1986, a West Berlin discotheque frequented by U.S. servicemen was bombed by Muslim extremists from the Libyan Embassy in East Berlin, killing an American.

Ten days later, Reagan bombed Libya, despite our dear ally France refusing the use of their airspace. Americans bombed Gadhafi's residence, killing his daughter, and dropped a bomb on the French Embassy "by mistake."

Reagan also stoked a long, bloody war between heinous regimes in Iran and Iraq. All this was while winning a final victory over Soviet totalitarianism.

PRESIDENT BUSH I, MODERATE REPUBLICAN

In December 1988, a passenger jet, Pan Am Flight 103, was bombed over Lockerbie, Scotland, by Muslim extremists.

President-elect George Bush claimed he would continue Reagan's policy of retaliating against terrorism, but did not. Without Reagan to gin her up, even Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher went wobbly, saying there would be no revenge for the bombing.

In 1990, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.

In early 1991, Bush went to war with Iraq. A majority of Democrats opposed the war, and later complained that Bush didn't "finish off the job" with Saddam.

PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON, DEMOCRAT

In February 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by Muslim fanatics, killing five people and injuring hundreds.

Clinton, advised by Dick Clarke, did nothing.

In October 1993, 18 American troops were killed in a savage firefight in Somalia. The body of one American was dragged through the streets of Mogadishu as the Somalian hordes cheered.

Clinton responded by calling off the hunt for Mohammed Farrah Aidid and ordering our troops home. Osama bin Laden later told ABC News: "The youth ... realized more than before that the American soldier was a paper tiger and after a few blows ran in defeat."

In November 1995, five Americans were killed and 30 wounded by a car bomb in Saudi Arabia set by Muslim extremists.

Clinton, advised by Dick Clarke, did nothing.

In June 1996, a U.S. Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia was bombed by Muslim extremists.

Clinton, advised by Dick Clarke, did nothing.

Months later, Saddam attacked the Kurdish-controlled city of Erbil.

Clinton, advised by Dick Clarke, lobbed some bombs into Iraq hundreds of miles from Saddam's forces.

In November 1997, Iraq refused to allow U.N. weapons inspections to do their jobs and threatened to shoot down a U.S. U-2 spy plane.

Clinton, advised by Dick Clarke, did nothing.

In February 1998, Clinton threatened to bomb Iraq, but called it off when the United Nations said no.

On Aug. 7, 1998, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim extremists.

Clinton, advised by Dick Clarke, did nothing.

On Aug. 20, Monica Lewinsky appeared for the second time to testify before the grand jury.

Clinton responded by bombing Afghanistan and Sudan, severely damaging a camel and an aspirin factory.

On Dec. 16, the House of Representatives prepared to impeach Clinton the next day.

Clinton retaliated by ordering major air strikes against Iraq, described by the New York Times as "by far the largest military action in Iraq since the end of the Gulf War in 1991."

The only time Clinton decided to go to war with anyone in the vicinity of Muslim fanatics was in 1999 - when Clinton attacked Serbians who were fighting Islamic fanatics.

In October 2000, our warship, the USS Cole, was attacked by Muslim extremists.

Clinton, advised by Dick Clarke, did nothing.

PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH, REPUBLICAN

Bush came into office telling his national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, he was "tired of swatting flies" - he wanted to eliminate al-Qaida.

On Sept. 11, 2001, when Bush had been in office for barely seven months, 3,000 Americans were murdered in a savage terrorist attack on U.S. soil by Muslim extremists.

Since then, Bush has won two wars against countries that harbored Muslim fanatics, captured Saddam Hussein, immobilized Osama bin Laden, destroyed al-Qaida's base, and begun to create the only functioning democracy in the Middle East other than Israel. Democrats opposed it all - except their phony support for war with Afghanistan, which they immediately complained about and said would be a Vietnam quagmire. And now they claim to be outraged that in the months before 9-11, Bush did not do everything Democrats opposed doing after 9-11.

What a surprise.
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Titus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Apr, 2004 10:38 pm
Indeed, what a surprise.

From Commando Ann-thrax's poison pen. She's Peggy Noonan with a bad hangover and a yeast infection.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 3 Apr, 2004 11:00 pm
She's also correct.
Well, I'm not sure about the camel.
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Jim
 
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Reply Sun 4 Apr, 2004 01:45 am
I'm not exactly crazy about Citizen Coulter personally, but I don't see any innacuracies with the article, or with the conclusion.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 4 Apr, 2004 01:54 am
Jim
Jim, starting with the omission of events on Coulter's list might be a good place to start looking for flaws in her thesis.

BBB
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Tarantulas
 
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Reply Sun 4 Apr, 2004 01:56 am
Fedral posted this on April 1.

How 9-11 happened

It's already scrolled off to page two. Wink
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 4 Apr, 2004 06:48 am
Quote:
Clinton, advised by Dick Clarke, did nothing.
In each instance of Coulter's use of this sentence, it is factually false.

Look you guys. There's a very simple way to judge the veracity or integrity of a speaker/writer, even if you are too lazy or too busy to check the facts. That is to look for logical fallacies, suggestions unproved, and unsupported innuendo. There are very good reasons that Tucker Carlson and David Brooks both despise Coulter. You should too.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Sun 4 Apr, 2004 11:39 pm
What is the object of Anne's bashing here, the Presidents or the military
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Carter retaliated by canceling Iranian visas. He eventually ordered a disastrous and humiliating rescue attempt, crashing helicopters in the desert.

Clinton responded by bombing Afghanistan and Sudan, severely damaging a camel and an aspirin factory.
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willow tl
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2004 12:19 am
it's the only thing republicans are good at..clinton bashing..if anyone cared to check the facts it would be a different story.. more americans were killed under Reagan ....not to mention selling arms to irag...feb 93 clinton was in office 38 days...the perps were captured tried and sentenced...you get the picture...they like to distort facts or not even use them at all...great spin meisters...LLooLL
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2004 09:28 am
If there is one teeny little contribution we can all make to political discourse and political thought, it is to press forward the demand that those we speak with, and those whom we choose to represent us, speak to the facts of an issue - and that they don't engage in character assassination by innuendo, or seek to discredit another with irrelevancies. These are Coulter's main tools, along with her apparent ideological mindset which places some more senior and absolute truths above the necessity for exactitude.

On another thread, I quoted a statement by Grover Norquist to the Denver Post, an ideological and partisan ally of Coulter. His words apply to Coulter probably more than to anyone else...
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"We are trying to change the tones in the state capitals - and turn them toward bitter nastiness and partisanship. Bipartisanship is another name for date-rape."
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voxclamantis
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2004 11:39 pm
Real cause an effect
It is not worth commenting on the laughable ignorance of history in the column, but the real cause an effect was totally missed:

"In 1979, President Jimmy Carter allowed the Shah of Iran to be deposed by a mob of Islamic fanatics. A few months later, Muslims stormed the U.S. Embassy in Iran and took American Embassy staff hostage."

ABC, prompted by the Crater Administration, started Nightline. Nightline has continued since then and so have terrorist attacks. Obviously the terrorists do not hate our freedoms, they hate Nightline.

George Bush will take on Nightline next. It is just as much to do with 9/11 as Iraq.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 12:06 am
Titus wrote:
Indeed, what a surprise.

From Commando Ann-thrax's poison pen. She's Peggy Noonan with a bad hangover and a yeast infection.


How about attacking her for her "facts", not your fantasies? Rolling Eyes

You will get further.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 04:25 am
Re: Real cause an effect
voxclamantis wrote:
It is not worth commenting on the laughable ignorance of history in the column, but the real cause an effect was totally missed:

"In 1979, President Jimmy Carter allowed the Shah of Iran to be deposed by a mob of Islamic fanatics. A few months later, Muslims stormed the U.S. Embassy in Iran and took American Embassy staff hostage."

ABC, prompted by the Crater Administration, started Nightline. Nightline has continued since then and so have terrorist attacks. Obviously the terrorists do not hate our freedoms, they hate Nightline.

George Bush will take on Nightline next. It is just as much to do with 9/11 as Iraq.


That is very funny, Voxclamantis!!!

Of course, as could be expected, Coulter ignores the very germane fact that the said Shah was installed by the USA - in a disgusting and totally illegal reversal of a democratic election, because the ELECTED leader was taking steps to break the west's stranglehold on Iran's oil profits.

Perhaps this might be said to be a factor in the hatred of the US which leads to terrorism against it?

Rolling Eyes
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 08:17 am
Seems possible, deb.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 08:20 am
Meanwhile, while everyone fights about who's a good boy and who's a bad boy....Osama Bin Laden runs around free, our soldiers are killed everyday, and our freedoms and economy are whittled away every day...ending up in bush incs pocket.

Can you say Red Herring?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 08:33 am
9/11 commission-Good morning Mr President, do you have an opening statement?
Well I am here to offer all information I have.
Ok thanks Mr President and you Mr Vice President possibly you could answer a few of our questions?
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 08:36 am
Wouldn't ya just love to be a fly on that wall today.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 12:12 pm
blatham wrote:
Wouldn't ya just love to be a fly on that wall today.


I wonder if he took his game boy so he'd have something to do while the grown ups talk?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 12:13 pm
grownups in the oval office? is that allowed?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 12:17 pm
Rice: 9/11 Could Not Have Been Prevented Without Incurring a Lot of Overtime

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In order to identify and apprehend the Sept. 11 hijackers before they struck, our agents would have had to have logged thousands of hours of the most mundane intelligence analysis. Consider, for example, the logistics of implementing the three-phase strategy to eliminate al-Qaeda. It involved a mission to the Taliban in Afghanistan, increased diplomatic pressure, and increased covert action. It would have been very expensive. The covert action would have entailed the time-consuming translation from Arabic of e-mails, phone transcripts, and bugged conversations. Arabic is an extremely difficult language that only a small number of government employees know. Completing the translations might have involved flying capable employees in from great distances.

Once a series of conversations has been translated, analysts must wade through endless pages of talk of dinner dates, computer purchases, travel plans, and weather reports, searching for anything of national-security interest. Each conversation must not just be recorded, transcribed, translated, and read. It must also be analyzed and formed into a report, which must be typed and copied and collated. Then the report must be discussed, and if action is deemed necessary... You see where I'm going here. We're talking about a massive accrual of hours in all levels of government, top to bottom.

The worst part is, 999 times out of 1,000, the operatives come up with nothing. It's very hard to pay people time-and-a-half when they can't tell you the exact location, date, and method of an imminent terrorist attack. But, considering the high priority President Bush placed on counterterrorism from the day he took office, I assure you that we would not have hesitated to schedule the overtime hours, had we known that a massive terrorist attack was definitely going to happen.

Yes, Mr. Tenet and his top deputies did receive a briefing paper labeled "Islamic Extremist Learns To Fly" in mid-August. Yes, an in-depth investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui might have led the government to the al-Qaeda cell in Germany that planned the Sept. 11 attacks, but the fact remains that we can never be sure. I believe that, during investigations such as this, it's important to stick with what we do know. Ladies and gentlemen: Had that lead been followed, a lot of people would've been working a lot of very long hours.
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