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Credit Card "Errors"

 
 
gollum
 
Reply Sun 4 Aug, 2013 05:49 am
If a merchant posts an incorrect charge (i.e., gray charge) on a national credit card (e.g., MasterCard) and the customer complains and gets it reversed, does the merchant have to pay a penalty other than the refund?

I believe some merchants do this deliberately in the belief that many customers won't complain or won't follow the whole ajudication process.
 
missconduct
 
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Reply Sun 4 Aug, 2013 11:31 am
@gollum,
Credit Card companies would notice a merchant who did this frequently. It could end with the merchant losing their sanctions with the CC. No way would a real business risk losing it.
gollum
 
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Reply Sun 4 Aug, 2013 12:14 pm
@missconduct,
The New York Times

An $18 Million Lesson in Handling Credit Report Errors
By TARA SIEGEL BERNARD

Even after sending more than 13 letters to Equifax over the course of two years, Julie Miller could not get the big credit bureau to remove a host of errors that it inserted into her credit report.

That indifference should surprise no one who has ever tried to deal with any of the three big credit reporting agencies, Equifax, TransUnion and Experian. “You feel trapped, like you are in a box,” said Ms. Miller, a 57-year-old nurse who works in a dermatologist’s office. “You have no control over this, and you can’t call them up and say, ‘You’re fired.’ ”

So she tried suing. That worked.

A jury in Federal District Court in Portland, Ore., last week awarded her a whopping $18.4 million in punitive damages, which, according to consumer lawyers, is the largest individual case on record.

If you think this has taught Equifax and the other credit reporting companies a lesson, you are a lot more optimistic than close observers of the industry. They say that despite the huge judgment, little is going to change for the millions of Americans who discover errors in their credit reports.

The credit bureaus are willing to tolerate these errors — and settle with consumers out of court — as a cost of doing business, according to credit experts and lawyers who work on these cases.

“Their business model is to keep doing the same thing over and over again,” said Justin Baxter, the lead lawyer on Ms. Miller’s case. “They can buy off a number of consumers with small dollar amounts and get rid of the vast majority of cases. To Equifax, that’s the cost of doing business.”

Ms. Miller made every effort to fix her report, exactly as consumers are advised to do. She initiated the company’s dispute process about seven times, and in most instances, Equifax would spit back a form letter saying it needed more proof of her identity. So she sent her pay stub and her phone bill. When that didn’t work, she sent her pay stub and her driver’s license. And when that failed, she sent her W-2 form and an insurance bill — at least three times.

But nothing ever changed: Ms. Miller, a model financial citizen who once had the credit score to prove it, had become mixed up with another, much less creditworthy Julie Miller. After she was denied a line of credit from KeyBank, she discovered 38 collection accounts on her credit report, none of which belonged to her, along with an inaccurate Social Security number and birth date. Her financial life was no longer her own.

Mixed files, as they are known in the credit industry, most frequently involve people who share common names with individuals who have similar Social Security numbers, birth dates or addresses. These errors are notorious for being among the most difficult to fix, credit experts said, and require human intervention to untangle the mess. But given the huge number of disputes, the process to address them is largely automated. And that is the excuse the industry advances to consumers who get stuck in its web.

The bureaus often outsource thousands of disputes daily to workers overseas. Those workers, often overwhelmed by the sheer volume of cases, are largely told to translate the problem into a two- or three-digit code that defines the gist of the problem (account not his/hers, for instance) and feed it into a computer.

But that process won’t untangle a mixed credit report. The reason files become mixed to begin with can be traced back to the computer formula the bureaus use to match credit data to a specific person’s credit report. It allows credit data, say a late payment on a credit card, to be inserted into a person’s file even if the identifying information isn’t an exact match. In other words, the system might add a late payment to the credit report of someone like Julie Miller even if the Social Security number is off by two digits or a birth date is off by two years, but enough of the other identifying information matches. That’s roughly what happened to Ms. Miller.

Partial matches aren’t always wrong, of course. Solid estimates on the number of mixed files are hard to find, though a 2004 study from the Federal Trade Commission said that partial matches occurred in about 1 to 2 percent of credit files, citing data from the bureaus. That might not sound like much, but when you consider that there are 200 million individuals with credit files at each of the big three bureaus, that translates to two million to four million consumers.

Other estimates put the number of actual mixed files at less than 0.2 percent to nearly 5 percent. The F.T.C.’s report said that mixed files were not always harmful to consumers because most credit account information was positive.

To that I say: Consumers with mixed files are supposed to take comfort in the fact that their credit report doppelgängers, on the whole, are likely to pay their bills?

There is a reason the bureaus operate this way. They would rather err on the side of including too much information in your credit report than leave information out, according to consumer lawyers and advocates. They also need to account for typos and small errors that can cause the credit agencies to leave out information — both good and bad credit behavior. Financial services firms are paying the bureaus to receive the most complete financial profile possible, even that means sacrificing a bit of accuracy. (The F.T.C.’s report said that lenders might actually prefer to see all potentially derogatory information about a potential borrower, even if it can’t all be matched with certainty.)

“The bureaus would rather accept the possibility of some mixed-file risk rather than the possibility that a debtor who owes a debt gets away with it,” said Leonard Bennett, a consumer lawyer in Newport News, Va., who said he has about 20 active mixed-file cases in any given month.

The dispute process is supposed to catch the people who fall through the cracks. But as people like Ms. Miller can attest, it doesn’t always work. The Fair Credit Reporting Act, the law that governs the big bureaus, requires the agencies to provide a reasonable investigation. Ms. Miller’s lawyer said their litigation revealed that there was no investigation at all. (It’s worth noting that Ms. Miller had problematic credit reports at the other two bureaus, but those agencies resolved the matter.)

“They testified that they get something like 10,000 disputes a day, so they don’t have the time to look at each one,” Mr. Baxter said. “Whether it is because the person has too many disputes to process or they choose not to, that is where the system falls apart.”

What else could she have possibly done? I asked the credit bureaus. Equifax declined to comment, and would only say that it was “very disappointed in the jury verdict” and was exploring its options, including an appeal. The other two agencies didn’t offer much guidance either, though TransUnion pointed out that the credit reporting industry resolved 70 percent of consumer disputes within 14 days.

Ms. Miller, however, had to endure repeated phone calls from debt collectors, who threatened to sue. She couldn’t co-sign a credit line for her son who was in his freshman year of college, and she said she put off refinancing her mortgage. It also meant that she couldn’t co-sign a car loan for her disabled brother. And plans to build a workshop on their property, which required a loan, would have to wait.

The jury’s giant award to Ms. Miller is generous and goes a long way toward compensating her for those lost opportunities. But lawyers say the initial awards are often reduced after being reviewed by the trial judge. An out-of-court settlement for the typical mixed-file case might be $50,000 to $250,000, depending on the case, while settlements for other errors may be far less.

Will Ms. Miller’s award have any lasting effect on the industry? Mr. Bennett, the consumer lawyer, is one of the optimists. “This case will change the calculus,” he said. “If they have to pay $2.5 million every time one of these folks gets to court, they might have to reconsider their procedures.”

It’s more likely, though, that the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which began overseeing the large credit bureaus last September, will have more impact. It has broad authority to perform on-site examinations, check records and examine how disputes are handled. Consumer advocates have long suggested that the credit agencies tighten up the way they match up data with consumers reports and strengthen the dispute process.

“Big punitive penalties may help force the bureaus to upgrade their 20th-century algorithms and incompetent dispute reinvestigation processes,” said Ed Mierzwinski, consumer program director at the United States Public Interest Research Group. “But C.F.P.B.’s authority to supervise the big credit bureaus is one of the most significant powers Congress gave it.”

Nearly every expert I spoke with conceded that Ms. Miller had few options. “She had two choices, and they both stunk,” said John Ulzheimer, a credit expert who has served as an expert witness on more than 140 credit-related lawsuits. “She could live with it, or she could hire an attorney.”

Kitty Bennett contributed reporting.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 4 Aug, 2013 12:56 pm
@gollum,
One wonders why this was not included in the original post.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sun 4 Aug, 2013 01:11 pm
@gollum,
There is a big difference between a posting error on a credit card bill and a posting error on a credit report.

Your first question asked about credit card errors, then you posted the article about credit reporting errors. They are not the same.
gollum
 
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Reply Mon 5 Aug, 2013 12:38 pm
@Butrflynet,
Butrflynet-
Thank you.

You are quite right. I posted the wrong article.

See below:

$14B in bogus credit

By GREGORY BRESIGER

Last Updated: 1:34 AM, August 4, 2013

Posted: 10:21 PM, August 3, 2013

Call it the “graying” of America, and it has nothing to do with baby boomers.

Instead, it’s the $14 billion credit card holders are losing each year to “gray,” or deceptive, credit- or debit-card charges, according to a new study by industry consultant Aite Group.

That amounts to $215 a year per cardholder on charges like a canceled gym membership or unsubscribed magazine.

“Companies exercising their gray rights (however wrong they may seem to the rest of us) are well-known entities that many of us do business with every day. They know levying charges is legal, but unethical,” says fraud expert Robert Siciliano.

And gray charges, the report says, are also a problem for the card companies, which actually are losing money on them.

Why? Because “issuers incur service-related expenses when cardholders question and dispute charges,” the report says.

“I would estimate that it is costing the card companies some $360 million more a year in costs than the additional revenue that comes through their network,” said Aite Group analyst Ron Shevlin, the author of the report.

“Banks don’t want gray charges. They lead to unhappy customers who cancel their cards,” says Nessa Feddis, a senior vice president for consumer protection and payments for the American Bankers Association.

Discover Card, listed in the report as having the largest percentage of gray transactions, disputed the numbers. It is fighting gray charges, a spokeswoman said.

“Discover does not assess gray charges. These charges are imposed by the merchant from which the cardholder purchased a product or a service,” says Katie Henry, a Discover spokeswoman. She added that Discover is monitoring merchants that have high dispute rates.

Some card issuers, Shevlin says, are considering providing apps that would identify a gray charge. But until that happens, vigilance is the best strategy in avoiding or reversing such charges.

“Consumers should look at their card bills carefully each month,” Shevlin adds. “They should read disclosure agreements carefully. It is amazing how many consumers don’t take common-sense steps.”

Read more: $14B in bogus credit - NYPOST.com http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/in_bogus_credit_OLYoPuIbUWmN58HAWzcNJM#ixzz2b7Zpmhjy
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